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The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.

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AsWithGlad · 20/08/2026 15:44

Welcome to The Bluestocking, the best (perhaps only) online women's pub. Nothing in the food or drink can harm you, everything is served by a very enthusiastic crew of gerbils, who enjoy doing this, and any curious menfolk are welcome at the Staunch Ally down the road.

Previous thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5564959-the-bluestocking-womens-pub-in-which-we-wait-excitedly-for-the-next-instalment-of-goseis-adventures

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Chickadeeinme · Yesterday 21:32

I have had a trip to the mall with five grandchildren and their parents today and I am costumed in a bookshop with a cup of coffee, absolutely exhausted.

EdithStourton · Yesterday 21:35

I could spend half an afternoon admiring chugging vintage tractors.
Then I would want a break and a cup of tea.

Personally I'd also keep Gillian away from the mantraps. I could imagine her repurposing them as, um, encouragement for her exercise classes.

NotAtMyAge · Yesterday 23:57

DauntlessDamson · Yesterday 10:49

I stopped doing History at school before O levels as I wasn't particularly interested at that time in the First World War, which was a large part of the syllabus and I also preferred to do Music, which would have clashed on the timetable.

However, I was a voracious reader and my youngest aunt, who was only a few years older than me, used to pass on books that she thought I would enjoy. So I took the book 'Katherine', by Anya Seton with me on a holiday to Cornwall. It is the story of Katherine Swynford, the mistress of John of Gaunt who later became his wife, with their 4 children being legitimised on their marriage in 1396. The descendants of their eldest son, John Beaufort, Earl of Somerset, include Margaret Beaufort and her son Henry VII, founder of the Tudor dynasty.

John of Gaunt and Katherine Swynford also had one daughter, Joan. Her (2nd) marriage to Ralph Neville, Earl of Westmorland produced, among others, Cecily Neville, who was the mother of both Edward IV and Richard III. The rivalries between these two groups of cousins, led to the Wars of the Roses.

Meanwhile, John Beaufort's daughter, also Joan, married James I of Scotland, giving rise to the Stuart dynasty.

So, from a rather inauspicious start as the mistress of a king's third son, Katherine Swynford became the ancestor of every English, Scottish and British monarch in the last 600 years.

I spent that entire holiday with my head in that book and, although I never followed history at an academic level, I do credit 'Katherine' with sparking my interest in a subject which endures to this day.

I love that, Damson. Coincidentally, the college I chose on such a slender ground and where my life changed so much was named after Lady Margaret Beaufort.

AsWithGlad · Today 00:57

@NotAtMyAge I love that, Damson. Coincidentally, the college I chose on such a slender ground and where my life changed so much was named after Lady Margaret Beaufort.

I love both Damson and Not’s posts.

I can’t claim anything as exalted or transformative as Not, but I remember in my very youth going to parties at a college she founded, and to other events more recently.

The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.
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EdithStourton · Today 05:40

I'm a massive fan of Lady Margaret B.

EmpressaurusKitty · Today 05:44

Can anyone recommend any books?

I only really know Lady Margaret from the Philippa Gregory novels which aren’t at all sympathetic to her.

EmpressaurusKitty · Today 07:50

Chickadeeinme · Yesterday 21:32

I have had a trip to the mall with five grandchildren and their parents today and I am costumed in a bookshop with a cup of coffee, absolutely exhausted.

Norwegian Duolingo has finally covered the hotel stuff (Hallo, jeg heter Empress, jeg har et rom for en natt) & gone onto families. @Chickadeeinme, in Norwegian you’re a bestemor (literal translation best mum) & your grandchildren would call you Mormor (Mum’s mum) or Farmor (Dad’s mum).

DeanElderberry · Today 07:59

EdithStourton · Yesterday 21:35

I could spend half an afternoon admiring chugging vintage tractors.
Then I would want a break and a cup of tea.

Personally I'd also keep Gillian away from the mantraps. I could imagine her repurposing them as, um, encouragement for her exercise classes.

I'd have got more out of it if I'd known more about tractors. The fascinated gasps of 'oh, a Massey Harris!', the earnest explanations of 'it says Belarus, but it was made in the Soviet Union', the close inspection of every detail, definitely trumped my mid surprise that Porsche make tractors and the usual Archers' listener nostalgia at the sight of a little grey Fergie.

But to get there I'd need to learn. I might suggest that next year they organise a guided tour for the ignorant. Or I might try to get out of going by pleading asthma and noise sensitivity, both genuine afflictions exacerbated by tractors en masse.

Anyhow, craft this morning, then more making space for the bookshelf and trying to work out where I'll put my shrine after the great rearrangement.

HAGADAPA

PS I generally enjoy Georgette Heyer's Late 18th & 19th century stuff and find her very re-readable in times of stress, have avoided anything earlier, and so far failed utterly with Infamous Army, partly because of my instant irrational dislike of Bab Childe and her toenails. I think I'm meant to find her charming, Or something.

EmpressaurusKitty · Today 08:05

I didn’t find Bab Childe at all charming.

It does become easier to respect & sympathise with her as the book goes on but I don’t think she’s ever exactly likeable. Having read These Old Shades & Devil’s Cub definitely helps since you know where she’s coming from.

DeanElderberry · Today 08:11

Thank you, I'm glad to know I'm not alone. I'd better re-read those, they're not on the favourites list, but if they'll get me over the gold toenails hump that will be good.

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