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The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.

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AsWithGlad · 20/08/2026 15:44

Welcome to The Bluestocking, the best (perhaps only) online women's pub. Nothing in the food or drink can harm you, everything is served by a very enthusiastic crew of gerbils, who enjoy doing this, and any curious menfolk are welcome at the Staunch Ally down the road.

Previous thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5564959-the-bluestocking-womens-pub-in-which-we-wait-excitedly-for-the-next-instalment-of-goseis-adventures

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Chickadeeinme · 23/08/2026 21:32

I have had a trip to the mall with five grandchildren and their parents today and I am costumed in a bookshop with a cup of coffee, absolutely exhausted.

EdithStourton · 23/08/2026 21:35

I could spend half an afternoon admiring chugging vintage tractors.
Then I would want a break and a cup of tea.

Personally I'd also keep Gillian away from the mantraps. I could imagine her repurposing them as, um, encouragement for her exercise classes.

NotAtMyAge · 23/08/2026 23:57

DauntlessDamson · 23/08/2026 10:49

I stopped doing History at school before O levels as I wasn't particularly interested at that time in the First World War, which was a large part of the syllabus and I also preferred to do Music, which would have clashed on the timetable.

However, I was a voracious reader and my youngest aunt, who was only a few years older than me, used to pass on books that she thought I would enjoy. So I took the book 'Katherine', by Anya Seton with me on a holiday to Cornwall. It is the story of Katherine Swynford, the mistress of John of Gaunt who later became his wife, with their 4 children being legitimised on their marriage in 1396. The descendants of their eldest son, John Beaufort, Earl of Somerset, include Margaret Beaufort and her son Henry VII, founder of the Tudor dynasty.

John of Gaunt and Katherine Swynford also had one daughter, Joan. Her (2nd) marriage to Ralph Neville, Earl of Westmorland produced, among others, Cecily Neville, who was the mother of both Edward IV and Richard III. The rivalries between these two groups of cousins, led to the Wars of the Roses.

Meanwhile, John Beaufort's daughter, also Joan, married James I of Scotland, giving rise to the Stuart dynasty.

So, from a rather inauspicious start as the mistress of a king's third son, Katherine Swynford became the ancestor of every English, Scottish and British monarch in the last 600 years.

I spent that entire holiday with my head in that book and, although I never followed history at an academic level, I do credit 'Katherine' with sparking my interest in a subject which endures to this day.

I love that, Damson. Coincidentally, the college I chose on such a slender ground and where my life changed so much was named after Lady Margaret Beaufort.

AsWithGlad · 24/08/2026 00:57

@NotAtMyAge I love that, Damson. Coincidentally, the college I chose on such a slender ground and where my life changed so much was named after Lady Margaret Beaufort.

I love both Damson and Not’s posts.

I can’t claim anything as exalted or transformative as Not, but I remember in my very youth going to parties at a college she founded, and to other events more recently.

The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.
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EdithStourton · 24/08/2026 05:40

I'm a massive fan of Lady Margaret B.

EmpressaurusKitty · 24/08/2026 05:44

Can anyone recommend any books?

I only really know Lady Margaret from the Philippa Gregory novels which aren’t at all sympathetic to her.

EmpressaurusKitty · 24/08/2026 07:50

Chickadeeinme · 23/08/2026 21:32

I have had a trip to the mall with five grandchildren and their parents today and I am costumed in a bookshop with a cup of coffee, absolutely exhausted.

Norwegian Duolingo has finally covered the hotel stuff (Hallo, jeg heter Empress, jeg har et rom for en natt) & gone onto families. @Chickadeeinme, in Norwegian you’re a bestemor (literal translation best mum) & your grandchildren would call you Mormor (Mum’s mum) or Farmor (Dad’s mum).

DeanElderberry · 24/08/2026 07:59

EdithStourton · 23/08/2026 21:35

I could spend half an afternoon admiring chugging vintage tractors.
Then I would want a break and a cup of tea.

Personally I'd also keep Gillian away from the mantraps. I could imagine her repurposing them as, um, encouragement for her exercise classes.

I'd have got more out of it if I'd known more about tractors. The fascinated gasps of 'oh, a Massey Harris!', the earnest explanations of 'it says Belarus, but it was made in the Soviet Union', the close inspection of every detail, definitely trumped my mid surprise that Porsche make tractors and the usual Archers' listener nostalgia at the sight of a little grey Fergie.

But to get there I'd need to learn. I might suggest that next year they organise a guided tour for the ignorant. Or I might try to get out of going by pleading asthma and noise sensitivity, both genuine afflictions exacerbated by tractors en masse.

Anyhow, craft this morning, then more making space for the bookshelf and trying to work out where I'll put my shrine after the great rearrangement.

HAGADAPA

PS I generally enjoy Georgette Heyer's Late 18th & 19th century stuff and find her very re-readable in times of stress, have avoided anything earlier, and so far failed utterly with Infamous Army, partly because of my instant irrational dislike of Bab Childe and her toenails. I think I'm meant to find her charming, Or something.

EmpressaurusKitty · 24/08/2026 08:05

I didn’t find Bab Childe at all charming.

It does become easier to respect & sympathise with her as the book goes on but I don’t think she’s ever exactly likeable. Having read These Old Shades & Devil’s Cub definitely helps since you know where she’s coming from.

DeanElderberry · 24/08/2026 08:11

Thank you, I'm glad to know I'm not alone. I'd better re-read those, they're not on the favourites list, but if they'll get me over the gold toenails hump that will be good.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 24/08/2026 09:29

I have recently been working my way through the Miss Marple books and, now I've run out of those, I've started the Poirot books from the beginning. I'm just not up to reading anything too demanding or gritty at the moment.

I will hopefully finish the baby blanket I'm knitting for my friend's daughter's baby today - my friend is coming to visit at the end of the week, so she will be able to take it away with her and hand it over in person - less scary than trusting it to the post! Before I hand it over, I'll have to go over it with sellotape, to get off all the fur that the cat has generously contributed to the project!

What with all the fur that I am brushing off him, and all the fur that the dogs shed, I'm surprised any of our animals have any fur at all. You can't varnish a cat, can you?

PastaAllaNorma · 24/08/2026 10:48

Woley, when I was frogging back the poncho/shawl thing I had to remake for DD, I was amazed how many of my hairs had been accidentally crocheted into it while I worked!

We used to threaten one of the cats with dipping him in resin. It's been 13 months since he died and we still find cat hair in rugs and on curtains.

When the vet asked if we'd like some fur to remember him by, despite our tears we laughed and said we had more than enough. Loved him, but he could shed more than his bodyweight of fur every day. He was like Princess Melisande.

Chickadeeinme · 24/08/2026 10:55

@EmpressaurusKitty I am Mormor :-). And I note that I was not costumed in a bookshop (thank you autocarrot - no idea where that came from) but slumped in a corner with a coffee while the kids raided the children’s books. My DD kindly did dinner for everyone when we got back to my house and we all went to bed early. Today is their last full day here and we are planning a trip to the Maine Wildlife park, though sadly there is no moose and no bears at the moment, surprisingly, because those are normally the stars kids want to see. They do have bobcats though, and turtles, and coyotes, and various birds of prey, so there are some interesting things. It has mainly been me and the visitors this week though, as all the walking has been too much for DH to contemplate.

EmpressaurusKitty · 24/08/2026 10:57

This is the best thing I know for stripping cat hair!

The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.
MarieDeGournay · 24/08/2026 11:14

Chickadeeinme · 24/08/2026 10:55

@EmpressaurusKitty I am Mormor :-). And I note that I was not costumed in a bookshop (thank you autocarrot - no idea where that came from) but slumped in a corner with a coffee while the kids raided the children’s books. My DD kindly did dinner for everyone when we got back to my house and we all went to bed early. Today is their last full day here and we are planning a trip to the Maine Wildlife park, though sadly there is no moose and no bears at the moment, surprisingly, because those are normally the stars kids want to see. They do have bobcats though, and turtles, and coyotes, and various birds of prey, so there are some interesting things. It has mainly been me and the visitors this week though, as all the walking has been too much for DH to contemplate.

I have such trust in the erudition of my fellow-Stockingers that I assumed 'to be
costumed' was some archaic military term for being a sheltered place!
I hope you all realise the power that this give you over me - you could write any old guff that you made up on the spot and I'd go 'oooh that looks impressive, she 's really clever and knows a lot of technical terms that I've never hear of'😁

I trust you to use your power wisely😇

Myrtle, the latest episode is a really intense one - everything seems to be a potential clue - like those Consumer Affairs TV programmes which start off with the presenter saying 'This may look like an ordinary [insert name of ordinary household object] but....... IT COULD BE A KILLER! As Mrs Smith of Asbhy-de-la-Zouch found out to her cost last Spring...'

And a real genuine new-word-learning oppo: lead came. Neither autocarrot, nor a deliberate attempt to deceive🙂
'From the Latin word "calamus," meaning reed, due to its resemblance to the hollow, slender stems of a reed plant.'

Yesterday the sun returned to my part of the east of Ireland, though not the heat. So I spent the afternoon repairing a garden bench which I've been meaning to do for months, but it was too hot.
Never happier than when I'm bodging a repair jobSmile
My repairs never turn out the way I expect them to, and wouldn't win prizes, but they put things back together, and I have so much fun doing them!

Now it's back to lining up an array of tradespeople to carry out a precise succession of small jobs, and one large job, so I'm about to hit the phone and get organisingConfused

Have lovely days, whatever they bring, catch up with you all.. eventually.

The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.
AngleofRepose · 24/08/2026 11:25

Thanks for the latest chapter, Myrtle! Am off to That London soon, as long as the trains are ok (apparently some issues through Bristol Parkway, but will hopefully be cleared by the time I get there)

HAGADAPA everyone (and thanks to the bar gerbils for my packed lunch of luxury sangwitches and homemade chocolate chip cookies)!

ErrolTheDragon · 24/08/2026 14:14

Proper ‘nice summer’s day’ here so we’ve been to the seaside for a stroll. On the way home I unwisely said I’d go out for a proper exercise walk while DH did the shopping - so I’d better try to do that after a cup of tea.

MarieDeGournay · 24/08/2026 14:14

This ad popped up - it reminded me of the Baron Knights' finest hour:
'Birth control to Ginger Tom...' 😂

The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.
EdithStourton · 24/08/2026 14:52

EmpressaurusKitty · 24/08/2026 05:44

Can anyone recommend any books?

I only really know Lady Margaret from the Philippa Gregory novels which aren’t at all sympathetic to her.

You could try 'Lady Margaret Beaufort: Survivor, Rebel, Kingmaker' by Lauren Johnson.

It's quite long, and my tolerance for long books isn't great, but I read all of it.

I think I've said on here before that I once read an article by an archivist familiar with archival material pertaining to Lady M, including her letters etc, and she gave old Pippa a powerful verbal smacking, along the lines of 'nothing like the Lady Margaret I know from her personal correspondence'.

EmpressaurusKitty · 24/08/2026 15:23

Thanks @EdithStourton, I’ll have a look.

Philippa’s books got me interested in the period but I’m taking them with a increasingly big pinch of salt!

EmpressaurusKitty · 24/08/2026 16:41

I’ve been in my 4th floor, Central London office all day with windows open on both sides, & there’s been a cool breeze blowing through. Heaven.

DauntlessDamson · 24/08/2026 16:58

EmpressaurusKitty · 24/08/2026 15:23

Thanks @EdithStourton, I’ll have a look.

Philippa’s books got me interested in the period but I’m taking them with a increasingly big pinch of salt!

I agree Kitty

Since some of her books were televised e.g the White Queen, she seems to have veered into fantasy at times.

I liked 'Red Roses' by Amy Licence. It tells the stories of all the Lancastrian queens, from Blanche, the first wife of John of Gaunt, to Margaret Beaufort and also includes Margaret of Anjou (Henry VI's mother) who fought very hard for her son, as well as some of the lesser known ladies such at Mary de Bohun and Joan of Navarre.

Magpiecomplex · 24/08/2026 17:46

Hot chocolate bowser please, bar gerbil, and a steady stream of food. Enrolment was long, hot, tedious and occasionally difficult.

EmpressaurusKitty · 24/08/2026 18:20

I hope you’ve got a relaxing evening lined up, Magpie. Have you had any desperate wails from the reschedulers?

EdithStourton · 24/08/2026 18:22

Coming up, Maggers.
(It took a suprisingly long time to get the image right. AI is being particularly stupid this evening and struggled to comprehend that 'legs' and 'nails' are not the same thing. But you got the Valtra-coloured nails in the end.)

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