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The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.

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AsWithGlad · 20/08/2026 15:44

Welcome to The Bluestocking, the best (perhaps only) online women's pub. Nothing in the food or drink can harm you, everything is served by a very enthusiastic crew of gerbils, who enjoy doing this, and any curious menfolk are welcome at the Staunch Ally down the road.

Previous thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5564959-the-bluestocking-womens-pub-in-which-we-wait-excitedly-for-the-next-instalment-of-goseis-adventures

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ChristmasStars · Yesterday 11:17

EmpressaurusKitty · 22/08/2026 23:01

That’s lovely, @NotAtMyAge. And I bet your parents were over the moon that you went to Oxford, too.

@ChristmasStars, have you seen www.mumsnet.com/talk/what_were_reading/5412145-the-chalet-school?page=36&reply=154177815

Ooh thank you!

MarieDeGournay · Yesterday 11:35

MyrtleLion · 22/08/2026 16:19

You're doing the difficult ones. Mainly because you have excellent diplomacy skills. Frankly if anyone can get into the locked ones and the ones with just a phone number, it is you.

Thank you... I think😏
I like Damson's reassurance that all this happens with the help of the Dream Gerbils, and we wake up refreshed every morning even though we've been All Over doing Lots of Stuff in man cathedralsSmile

MarieDeGournay · Yesterday 12:17

Were there any films, or books, that, in hindsight, anyone feels had a significant influence on them growing up such that they may have, in some small way, have shaped their lives?

It wasn't written down, but the Queen Maeve stories were influential in my childhood - bowdlerised versions thereof, which left out the many lovers and the killing of unwanted husbands!
A woman who could lead armies to get what she wanted.

But I have to admit ['admit' because there's so much about Joyce that is awful] that it was A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man that influenced me most, the power of the intellect to create a universe for someone from Stephen's background inspired me to go to university.

His mind takes him to discussions about Aquinas and the characteristics of beauty, and then he goes home to his rundown house where his many little brothers and sisters only have jam-jars to drink out of - Joyce was so good at dropping in telling little details like that - like the servant girl in The Dead, she only has one sentence but it is a killer, in bitter reply to the jovial suggestion that she'd be getting married one of these days:
'The men that is now is only all palaver and what they can get out of you.'

Portrait made me want to be the first person in my family to go to uni - having been only the third [older siblings got there first] to even get a secondary education - because I thought uni would be a dreamlike sequence of discussing integritas, consonantia and claritas with pale and serious young men and women.
Spoiler alert: it wasn't, but it was a heartfelt ambition achieved, and a gateway to other worlds.

There were no student loans, so I had to work during the vacations to pay for my fees. I lived at home and took the bus to uni - my parents were generous enough to give me my board and lodgings, at an age, and long past it, when they had both been out working and contributing to the family finances - which meant that I often had to leave the discussions on integritas, consonantia, claritas or more likely student politics, to get the last bus home.

Where we had proper cups and saucers, not jam jarsSmile
And then there was The Female Eunuch, that's a whole other story!

Chickadeeinme · Yesterday 12:59

I love Anya Seton’s books! In fact I’ve always loved historical novels starting with Rosemary Sutcliffe when I was seven or eight. I did one of the early modular degrees - Combined Arts at Leicester - so I did English as my major but I also did two years of History and two years of American Studies (half history, half literature) alongside it, with a one year Psychology course because you had to also do something outside your own faculty. My MA was modern (as far as 1970!) English and American lit. This all made it easy when I was applying for American citizenship 30-odd years later because I knew the answers to the questions on the citizenship test!

Magpiecomplex · Yesterday 13:14

Chickadeeinme · Yesterday 12:59

I love Anya Seton’s books! In fact I’ve always loved historical novels starting with Rosemary Sutcliffe when I was seven or eight. I did one of the early modular degrees - Combined Arts at Leicester - so I did English as my major but I also did two years of History and two years of American Studies (half history, half literature) alongside it, with a one year Psychology course because you had to also do something outside your own faculty. My MA was modern (as far as 1970!) English and American lit. This all made it easy when I was applying for American citizenship 30-odd years later because I knew the answers to the questions on the citizenship test!

Strange how these things work out, isn't it?

Chickadeeinme · Yesterday 13:17

@Magpiecomplex yes indeed! A further illustration - I spent years volunteering for the NCT as a breastfeeding counsellor and writing stuff for free for their magazine, and that led to writing paid articles for a mother-and-baby magazine in the 90s.

DauntlessDamson · Yesterday 13:45

I tend to prefer non-fiction accounts of history these these, although I did read a lot of Jean Plaidy when I was younger.

Another author who sparked interest in specific events was Georgette Heyer - very popular with some Bluestocking members. I remember reading 'A Spanish Bride', which is based on the true story of Harry and Juana Smith during the Peninsular Campaign from 1812 to the Battle of Waterloo in 1815. Harry rescued Juana from potential rape by out-of-control British forces following the Siege of Badajoz and married her, although she was just fourteen at the time! (which was of legal age to marry in Spain). She resisted being sent home to England to live with his parents and instead remained with him, riding with the baggage train and sleeping everywhere from a French Chateau to a flea-ridden farmhouse or army tent. Harry eventually became a Major General and was knighted, with Juana becoming Lady Smith and a well known and loved figure in army circles. They never had children, but travelled widely with the army, including Canada and South Africa, where the town of Ladysmith in Cape Province (now KwaZulu-Natal) was named after her.

Another of Georgette Heyer's historical novels is 'A Royal Escape', being a very detailed account of the escape of Charles II from the Battle of Worcester in 1651 and based on his own words as told to Samuel Pepys on board the Royal Sovereign, which was bringing him back from exile in France to regain the Stuart throne. I once spent a few days re-tracing that journey, from White Ladies and Boscobel House in Shropshire, through the West Midlands, Somerset, Dorset and down to West Sussex, from where he escaped to France, largely supported and housed by Catholic families. A fascinating story.

EmpressaurusKitty · Yesterday 13:55

A Royal Escape? I haven’t heard of that one.

The Spanish Bride works very well read alongside An Infamous Army, which Sandhurst recommends to its students as an excellent account of the Battle of Waterloo, and A Civil Contract, which covers the same period in England.

Chickadeeinme · Yesterday 13:59

I like Georgette Heyer a lot and I also read a lot of Jean Plaidy in my teens - in fact I think I learned most of what I know about French history from her.

PastaAllaNorma · Yesterday 14:50

EmpressaurusKitty · Yesterday 13:55

A Royal Escape? I haven’t heard of that one.

The Spanish Bride works very well read alongside An Infamous Army, which Sandhurst recommends to its students as an excellent account of the Battle of Waterloo, and A Civil Contract, which covers the same period in England.

Sorry, Dauntless, I actually binned A Royal Escape as being unreadable awful. The relentless fawning about the future Charles II was nauseating and the story telling was dense and downright boring.

I found myself hoping for a twist ending where they caught and killed the bugger.

Chickadee, I was also a teenage fan of Jean Plaidy - I particularly remember The Royal Royal To Fotheringhay. Anya Seton too, and Robert Graves' Claudius books (although having read Unfortunately She Was A Nymphomaniac by Joan ith I'm ashamed of that last one)

AnonyMumAuDHD · Yesterday 15:26

Huge reader of Jean Plaidy and Philippa Carr novels, too, Damson. I think they were actually the same author, but may be misremembering! instilled a love of history that meant I almost applied to read History rather than English!

Oh and Victoria Holt’s gothic romance novels - who I have just discovered was another pen-name by the same writer!! She wrote more than 200 books under numerous pen names. I mean… 200 books?! When did she eat or sleep?

I wonder if teenagers have even heard of these books today?

EmpressaurusKitty · Yesterday 15:28

Jean Plaidy was the first historical novelist I discovered as a pre-teen & introduced me to Charles II & Nell Gwyn.

DauntlessDamson · Yesterday 16:05

PastaAllaNorma · Yesterday 14:50

Sorry, Dauntless, I actually binned A Royal Escape as being unreadable awful. The relentless fawning about the future Charles II was nauseating and the story telling was dense and downright boring.

I found myself hoping for a twist ending where they caught and killed the bugger.

Chickadee, I was also a teenage fan of Jean Plaidy - I particularly remember The Royal Royal To Fotheringhay. Anya Seton too, and Robert Graves' Claudius books (although having read Unfortunately She Was A Nymphomaniac by Joan ith I'm ashamed of that last one)

I read Royal Escape as a bit of a romp but have since read other books on the subject, including Charles Spencer's ' To Catch a King', which is excellent. His other book about Charles II is also very interesting. Called 'Killers of the King' it details his efforts to catch and bring to justice the 59 signatories of Charles I's execution warrant. Those (including Oliver Cromwell) who died a natural death were the lucky ones, given the fate of those who were caught.....

I'd forgotten Victoria Holt! Yes, I read some of those too, much lighter in style than under her persona as Jean Plaidy.
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DauntlessDamson · Yesterday 16:23

We've had relatives staying nearby this weekend and have been meeting up at various times for meals and activities. Just girding myself up for the final event before they travel up to Scotland.

It's lovely to see them all and spend time together, but I do find my family exhausting en-masse, being used to a much calmer existence these days😴

EmpressaurusKitty · Yesterday 16:26

I did a scenic 3-mile walk to the next town this morning & wandered round the garden centre, where they had a blue catnip plant for £7.49.

She’s reserving judgment but it looks good next to the white.

There are several things I ought to be doing instead of MNing so I really ought to get on with them…

EdithStourton · Yesterday 17:38

I was a massive fan of Rosemary Sutcliffe, and am still a fan of Mary Renault.

As I kid I really enjoyed Cynthia Harnett's historical novels but despite my best efforts my DC spurred them.

Lovely day today, but it was busy and involved very small children. I am, consequently, shattered. On the plus side, I am not the one feeding the small children their dinners and getting them to bed: we waved the whole family off 40 minutes ago.

EmpressaurusKitty · Yesterday 18:11

I like seeing the small children in the family occasionally, but I’m very glad I’m not responsible for any of them.

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 18:18

Gosie is on her way!

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 18:27

28. Inside the Leading

In which the monotony changes...

Graphic was not given a tray.

Fenella took her instead to a panel laid flat on the far bench, old lead gone the colour of slate. A magnifying glass was set up above the lead with a side light to illuminate it and a chair was pulled up to the bench. Fenella put a block of drawing paper, some 2B pencils and a pencil sharpener next to the lead.

“Lead markings,” said Fenella. She lifted a loose strip of came and turned it so Graphic could see the channel. “Look in here.”

Graphic looked. Down inside the came, where the glass would sit, were a series of small struck marks, letters and numbers.

“Lead came is milled,” said Fenella. “Whoever mills it marks the inside, initials and a date. Every old window carries a record of who made it and who last worked it, on the inside, where nobody sees it once the glass is in. When glass is restored with new lead, I put every mark I find back inside it, then add my own initials and date after it. But I don’t mill it, I stamp it. That is what a proper conservator does. Nothing is lost in my leading.”

“Each mark must be hand-drawn, then I either match it to a stamp, or create a new one. You will draw the marks.” Fenella pulled out the chair and told Graphic to take a seat.

“You can see the indentations in the lead, which must be reproduced exactly. Check your drawing against the marks to be sure.” She indicated that Graphic should begin and stood watching over her while Graphic drew the marks. Once the first piece of lead had been drawn, Fenella adjusted nothing, made a small sound of approval and went back to her own bench.

Graphic worked along the opened strips, drawing the marks and numbering each drawing in the corner in pencil before setting it on the pile. By lunch she had completed six sets.

Gimbal was given a box.

It was a shallow wooden tray with a lid, divided into small square compartments, each compartment numbered from 1 to 200, and in each compartment a stamp. The stamps were wooden, a short turned handle with a number painted on the top and a metal die set into the bottom. Fenella put the box on the bench with a cloth and a bowl of warm water. “They are all in the wrong compartments,” she said. “Clean them and put them right.”

Gimbal took the first stamp out. The top said 63. It was in compartment 1. She turned it over and looked at the die, which was a small fleur-de-lis, and put the stamp down on the bench. The next was 28, and she put it to the left of 63. The next was 147, which went to the right. The next was 9, which went to the left of 28, and then she picked up 91, which had to go between 63 and 147, which meant moving 147 along. Then 84, between 63 and 91, which meant moving 91 and 147. By the twentieth stamp the row reached the end of the bench and every new stamp meant moving most of the others, and she had not cleaned any of them.

Gimbal put them all back in the compartments, then started again. This time she took the stamp out of compartment 1, which was 63, and cleaned it. She dried it. She turned it over and looked at the die. Then she took it to compartment 63, took out whatever was there, which was 112, put 63 in, and cleaned 112. Then 112 went to compartment 112, and what came out of there was 7. She cleaned 7.

The stamps did not need cleaning. The dies were bright and the handles were dry. She cleaned every one of them anyway, because cleaning had been the first instruction.

The chain ran on through the morning and into the afternoon. Partway through, the stamp that came out of compartment 40 had 171 on its top, and when she turned it over the die was a pair of pliers, and in the corner of the pliers was a hard bead of violet wax. She cleaned it. The wax came off on the cloth. She took 171 to compartment 171, took out 56, and moved on.

The package arrived at ten past four.

It was large, flat and heavy, a crate rather than a box, and the courier needed the trolley. It had two labels. The top one was a US Customs label, with a long reference and a barcode and RELEASED printed across it in red, and it had been stuck on at an angle so that it covered most of an older label underneath.

Halcyon scanned the Customs barcode. The spreadsheet did not move. She scanned it again. Nothing. She peeled up the corner of the Customs label, found the edge of the barcode under it, scanned that, and several rows in the dispatch tab turned red.

Griffin had seen the dispatch tab before. Reference. Barcode. Dispatch date, which was six months ago. Carrier. Weight. Crate dimensions. Destination, which read Talmere Logistics, Portland, Maine. Origin, which was not a place but a code, FB0417, in blue, underlined.

Halcyon clicked the code.

A new sheet opened over the old one, grey, with a box in the middle of it asking for a password. Halcyon typed and pressed return. The box shook. She typed again more carefully, and it shook again. The third time she looked down at the keys while she typed, and Griffin, standing at Halcyon’s left elbow, watched Halcyon type instead of the screen. The first key was a capital, F. Then a run she could not fully follow, but she noticed a 5, then a b further along. A t, at the end. Ten asterisks altogether.

The sheet opened. Halcyon read the top of it for perhaps two seconds, said “Wait there,” and went down the workshop at a pace Griffin had not seen her use before.

Griffin waited there. The sheet was in front of her. It was long, the scrollbar on the right reduced to a short grey bar, and the rows filled the page. A set of rows were highlighted in red all with the Dispatch Reference, FB0417. Griffin read the first row, which appeared to be the most recent. Date acquired. Date restored. Conservator, FB. Stamp number, 23. Origin, written in full, Norwich Cathedral. Condition, Stable. Destination, a code. Status, Dispatched.

She read it once more, and then Fenella was there, with Halcyon behind her, and Fenella reached past Griffin without a word and closed the laptop.

“Thank you, Griffin,” said Fenella. “That will do for today.”

It was twenty-five past four.

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/28-inside-the-leading

The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.
JanesLittleGirl · Yesterday 18:40

Thanks for this@MyrtleLion. I don't know where you are taking us but the journey is fascinating.

DeanElderberry · Yesterday 18:53

One of those afternoons. So Many Tractors.

Actually, not much fun - too many throbbing generators, too much smelly diesel and other smoke. Some quite sweet goats and Shetland ponies and amiable dogs and small children dragging their respective adults around, but not my choice of entertainment. If I thought purgatory would feature several millennia of a vintage tractor display I would endeavour to mend my ways.

Even the display of vintage man traps, the better to cripple and maim poachers and peasants taking short cuts with, didn't really divert or amuse.

The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.
The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.
Magpiecomplex · Yesterday 19:07

DeanElderberry · Yesterday 18:53

One of those afternoons. So Many Tractors.

Actually, not much fun - too many throbbing generators, too much smelly diesel and other smoke. Some quite sweet goats and Shetland ponies and amiable dogs and small children dragging their respective adults around, but not my choice of entertainment. If I thought purgatory would feature several millennia of a vintage tractor display I would endeavour to mend my ways.

Even the display of vintage man traps, the better to cripple and maim poachers and peasants taking short cuts with, didn't really divert or amuse.

Gosh, if even the mantraps couldn't cheer you up, it must have been serious!
Despite my well known appreciation for tractors, I must admit that serried ranks of vintage tractors, all sullenly belching smoke while being tended to by their doting owners, does tend to get old quite fast

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 19:22

JanesLittleGirl · Yesterday 18:40

Thanks for this@MyrtleLion. I don't know where you are taking us but the journey is fascinating.

I'm glad the mystique remains. I'd hate for you all to guess the plot too soon.

FuzzyPuffling · Yesterday 20:10

Even the display of vintage man traps, the better to cripple and maim poachers and peasants taking short cuts with, didn't really divert or amuse.

Might these be a good suggestion for the next CF thread where someone is drifting onto a driveway....( beats a penguin bollard every time).

Magpiecomplex · Yesterday 21:25

FuzzyPuffling · Yesterday 20:10

Even the display of vintage man traps, the better to cripple and maim poachers and peasants taking short cuts with, didn't really divert or amuse.

Might these be a good suggestion for the next CF thread where someone is drifting onto a driveway....( beats a penguin bollard every time).

Just don't let Guillotine, Gladius or Gouge near the man traps or they might end up being a bit more terminal than intended.

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