Lilly Allen & Miquita on abortions

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Sorry for the DM link - I know it's a rag.

I'm just completely disturbed having read this article and listened to their podcast episode of them talking about having 5 abortions each. This surely is not what the 1967 abortion act was designed for. It's not some preppy girl-power feminist statement to have so many abortions you can't even remember them. And to laugh and sing about it rather than take a somber view or think about how you would make better choices or advise women and girls listening to make other choices for themselves. Or to demand that contraceptive services post-abortion are better to prevent girls from having another one. Am I wrong for thinking this is messed up and completely tasteless? And antithetical to the well-being of women and girls? Am I being excessively prude and judgemental?

Sorry didn't know where else to put this & haven't made a thread before so if I have broken rules or if this just is inappropriate let me know. This has just really got under my skin.

Article link here

Their podcast is called "Miss Me" and is available on BBC sounds - it's on their episode from this week called "Listen Bitch" at the very start. I am not a regular listener to it.

Edit: sorry I meant to post this on feminism chat not S&G discussions

Actually, I didn’t choose to have sex with the man who got me pregnant. I also know from the group therapy sessions I took part in is that is not a situation which is unique to me.

What about girls and women who haven't had the benefits of caring, supportive parents? Girls who have been neglected and abused, so continue cycles of harm and destruction?
Should they be allowed abortions? How many?

👏Yep, this. That poster is trying to backpedal now of course.

Yes, but laughing about it? Singing about it? Boasting that you can’t remember how many you’ve had?

Come on now. That’s just distasteful.

Imagine listening to that conversation back in the 60s, when the pill had just become available. You’d be like “wtf?”

Women in the UK these days have free access to numerous types of contraception.

Sometimes accidents happen, and they can access an abortion, great.

Sometimes it happens more than once. Ok.

But so many times you can’t remember it? And don’t care and just laugh about it?

Apart from the strain on the NHS which is completely avoidable, it’s just so needlessly reckless.

Just because they can, doesn’t mean they should, and have women cheering them on saying “your choice! Your body, your choice! Have as many abortions are you want!”

That’s just nonsense.

Thankfully I think Lily and Miquita and their obnoxious attitudes are very much in the minority.

But why would you feel sad for the baby? It doesn’t know it’s dead! For the family, of course, I would be emotional about the impact it has on them, it is indescribably sad for them and they have all my sympathy, especially the mother who felt the baby move inside of her. But feel particularly sad for the baby itself, no, I genuinely wouldn’t, it’s about the people left behind not about the one who has gone. I’m not sad for my grandma that she is dead, I’m sad for my grandad that he has to be without her and that she isn’t here anymore for the value she brought to my life and I will miss her, but I’m not sad for her per se.

It's a good thing, surely, that they had access to abortions ? Lily Allen was off her head for years, it's no good expecting someone with such a chaotic life to be responsible about contraception therefore the responsible thing is to have an abortion.

It's interesting that she wasn't so chaotic that she could organise multiple abortions - but not one single trip to the clinic for long lasting contraception.

I am sure that you understand what a "chaotic" life means, and the person is not necessarily being logical,or planning effectively.. I think there was a period where she had very bad mental health problems.

Absolutely - but I find it remarkable that she could organise that number of abortions and didn't take up the multiple offers of contraception that would have come her way in the same services she received the abortions from - and that she still seems to find her behaviour at that time so funny.

What about girls and women who haven't had the benefits of caring, supportive parents? Girls who have been neglected and abused, so continue cycles of harm and destruction? Should they be allowed abortions? How many?

Talking about abortions as if they are a regular and normal alternative to forming steady, loving, sexual relationships with freely available contraception, is not supportive of neglected or abused young women. Educating men and women into what a good and respectful relationship looks like would do vastly more. If young male and females thought Lily Allen and her pal were representative of people who were having good, loving and responsible sexual relationships, heaven help them. They will simply set the bar too low and value themselves and their bodies too little. I'd certainly want my children to experience better than that.

Eh? We all would. I'm not talking about good parents like us!

One of the daftest things I've ever read on here. By thart argument we should cry every time a man masturbates or a woman has a period....

Or takes their daily contraceptive pill. I mean, come on....just silly posts, some of these.

Maybe her parents organised it, who knows?

I have no doubt she had multiple forms of contraception on offer but you do have to be in a good frame of mind to use them /take the pill - a drug attack with MH problems isn't that person.

I spent the past five minutes writing a detailed response to this ridiculous post but soon realised it would go over your head. So I'll leave it at this:- 😂

No you don't. A coil or the implant would have been suggested/offered and requires no effort to use them. Someone who was capable of organising, understanding and undergoing 5-plus abortions could manage that.

Well,for whatever reason that didn't happen,therefore in the circumstances and abortion was the better option,whoever organised it.

No it didn't happen and yes, the abortions were right for her st that time. However, the way she and Miquita were laughing about them suggests she still thinks it's funny, even through the eyes of a 40 year old woman who presumably has more understanding of the chaos caused by drugs and poor mental health, and the lack of care she had for her own sexual health.

Wonder what the cost to the NHS is for all these abortions 'women can have as often as they like for any reason'?

Probably less than the cost to the NHS if the baby was born.

I think that women should be able to do what they need to do. But I understand where you are coming from OP. This isn’t about those of us where abortion has been a life line, and maybe we’ve had more than one but the circumstances were just unfortunate.

This is about women that have abortions over and over again. I know some won’t like this, but the first time I went to an abortion clinic, I was pretty young and the lady asked me “why are you engaging in such risky behaviour” - at the time I was angry and didn’t get what she meant, but as I’ve gotten older I believe she was probably looking at such a broken girl who had made poor life choices, and she meant it in a way where she wanted better for me. A little like how I would tell my daughter off (she’s still a child) because I know that if she keeps doing this repetitive damaging behaviour - it won’t end well.

I have had a termination. But it really was an eye opener for me and pushed me to take my life seriously. However I do have friends who have had more abortions than I can count, but I know there was darkness in their childhood; they sadly end up with men who are horrible; and whilst it’s hidden under the guise of having fun, I believe if you do something over and over and over again that isn’t good for you (it can be quite a process, physically and /or mentally) - you have to question why and get the help you need.

It’s great we have abortion, but there should be a point where we can also have open conversations when it is abused as contraception.

Don't worry about the NHS, I imagine they were done privately.

But far less if the women used long lasting contraception.

Meh. I don't really care about all the abortions, she was obviously too chaotic and irresponsible to be a mother at the time so she needed them, I think the wider point is that we live in a society that glorified vulnerable young women living such chaotic lives and selling it to them as liberation. She would have been living this horrible existence during the heyday of female chauvinist pigs wouldn't she?

The other wider point is that pretty much anything Lily Allen says about any given subject is probably going to be stupid, I don't think I've ever read anything about her that indicated it would be a good use of my time to pay any attention to her. She has never been quoted as saying anything remotely interesting or thought provoking, everything I have ever seen or read about her has not led me to believe that she is a particularly deep thinker.

I like some of her songs though.