Lilly Allen & Miquita on abortions

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Sorry for the DM link - I know it's a rag.

I'm just completely disturbed having read this article and listened to their podcast episode of them talking about having 5 abortions each. This surely is not what the 1967 abortion act was designed for. It's not some preppy girl-power feminist statement to have so many abortions you can't even remember them. And to laugh and sing about it rather than take a somber view or think about how you would make better choices or advise women and girls listening to make other choices for themselves. Or to demand that contraceptive services post-abortion are better to prevent girls from having another one. Am I wrong for thinking this is messed up and completely tasteless? And antithetical to the well-being of women and girls? Am I being excessively prude and judgemental?

Sorry didn't know where else to put this & haven't made a thread before so if I have broken rules or if this just is inappropriate let me know. This has just really got under my skin.

Article link here

Their podcast is called "Miss Me" and is available on BBC sounds - it's on their episode from this week called "Listen Bitch" at the very start. I am not a regular listener to it.

Edit: sorry I meant to post this on feminism chat not S&G discussions

What a grotesque interview. When there are so many ways to avoid getting pregnant in the first place, there is clearly no need to be so casual about abortion. What a screwed up attitude.

Many peoples discomfort with abortion doesn’t stem from deep concern for the unborn foetus, it’s rooted in unconscious misogyny. They’ve internalised the idea that women are supposed to be naturally nurturing and self-sacrificing, and they’re horrified when women assert autonomy in ways that defy that expectation

I believe more people would just put a higher value on themselves and life itself than to repeatedly engage in unprotected sex and dispose of any consequences of that irresponsibility ‘after the fact’. It’s no more ‘feminist’ to be selfish, careless, dismissive and proud of your irresponsibility than to be nurturing and unselfish. Discomfort with two women boasting about casual and multiple abortions for other people’s entertainment is nothing to do with misogyny, and to think so it’s pretty twisted idea of what misogyny and feminism means.

I don’t think anyone who is pro-choice on this thread has actually said that they would stop a woman from having multiple abortions, have they? So even if discomfort or concern about that is being expressed, it doesn’t mean we’re no longer pro-choice.

I can say that an adult can choose to drink themselves into a stupor every night. Doesn’t mean I think it’s a good idea.

How other people feel about pregnancy and abortion isn’t my responsibility. I’m entitled to feel and talk about mine however I want, just as others are.

But that isn’t the only permissible emotion about abortion. SOME women feel like that, as is their right. But can we please not erase the women who DON’T feel like that. I haven’t got an ounce of nurturing in my little toe, having an abortion was not a hard decision, I talk about it flippantly because it means nothing to me and I’ve faced more difficult choices when it’s a toss up between ordering a takeaway or cooking what’s in my fridge. Yes, using contraception is preferable and I wouldn’t personally risk my sexual health in the way Lily and Miquita seemed to but I’d sure as hell have another abortion if I found myself pregnant again for whatever reason - contraception failure, my own stupidity.

Rights come with responsibilities. The callous fashion in which Lily and Miquita discussed this was all about their right, and their total lack of regard for their responsibilities. That’s all it is. Nobody is questioning a woman’s dominion over her own body. This is about two women who are all about talking and not at all about thinking.

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As long as they are both mentally and physically ok afterwards, and it was their choice, then that's fine.

To those who say I don't see how she can have an abortion but be upset about miscarriage and stillbirth are very shortsighted in my opinion. The circumstances were obviously entirely different.

I think the concerning thing is the difference in perception between men and women's behaviour with regards to sex; that women are STILL shamed in 2025. And men it's often seen as a badge of honour.

Utter claptrap.

Yeah, I think that comment by @Ratisshortforratthew (at 21.40 yesterday,) was absolutely abhorrent.

I felt quite shocked to read this and wondered about both of their mental health. Surely choosing abortion repeatedly has an effect. I can’t imagine not using contraception for this reason plus sti’s. There is an overshare of celebs sometimes I feel some things can stay private. Interesting that the headline was aimed at lily not Miquita.

I don't care . It is their bodies..

This. ^ I am disgusted that anyone thinks it's perfectly OK to have 5 or more abortions, 'because feminism,' and 'because autonomy!' Give your head a wobble FFS!

There is no limit on the number of abortions that you are allowed in the UK. So why would i judge?

It is a service that you can use as many times as you want.

It depends how you look at abortion.

I don't feel any emotional way about abortion at all. So to me, five abortions is not disgusting in any way.

When a man ejaculates into a condom, he kills thousands of sperm.

Are we going to cry for all of those dead sperm, that could have been babies?

Gets them news headlines though innit? 🙄 When was Lily Allen relevant last? 15 years ago? Even then she was only famous because nepo baby. She can't sing for shit. And Miquita... Who?

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I thought this part was really gross. I don’t think there should be a limit on abortion but 5 is shocking to me, especially when you are sitting around laughing about it.

Speaks volumes about her. Absolutely vile think to do.

It is a very valid point.

People don't cry when men kill sperm, men kill sperm in huge numbers when they use condoms.

Every one of those sperm could be a baby.

Yet peoppe get emotional when a woman kills a fetus.

Why? Misogyny thats why. Men can do whatever they want. But when a woman does it, it is awful

It's really REALLY not even close to a valid point. FGS I despair.

And your last sentence, what on earth are you on about? Men can't 'do what they like' any more than women can.

Sounds like you're projecting ...

So you think it’s reasonable to want to police how people feel and talk about their own abortions because others might feel differently? Where do you draw the line at this? No one is entitled to go through life never hearing anything they might find offensive or upsetting.

It is your responsibility when you ram it into a situation as you say you did. Of course you said it looking for a shocked reaction. Like a kid testing out swearing in front of the adults.

It is a fucking valid point.
You are being misogynistic.

A man, when he ejaculates into a condom, kills thousands of sperm.

Every one of those sperm could be a living being.

So why not judge the man, like people are judging lily allen?

Yeah this, there is a bit of 'oh look how radical and edgy I am!' coming from that poster. 🙄 I'm not engaging any further with them.