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Is it really Andrew Tate or do some boys just have terrible role models in the home?

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snughugs · 19/04/2025 11:26

I’m seeing all this sexism in class stuff on TV just now, they blame Andrew Tate for everything. I bet a lot of these boys have Fathers and male role models who are the type of men we read about on the relationship boards here. You know the guys who want a submissive provider.

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Maitri108 · 08/05/2025 15:32

masterofdoom · 08/05/2025 14:06

In the year ending June 2024, approximately 36% (69,184 offences) of all sexual offences recorded by the police were rape offences. This was a 2% increase compared with the previous year (67,903 offences). [1] add another 2700 allegations that were lies by women and thats by home office statitics and thatll be in one year so 2700 mens lifes destroyed by womens lies and your telling me women arent responsible for men commiting suicide SURE!!!!!!!!

In order to back up what you're saying, if you could provide evidence, it would be appreciated.

I couldn't get through your first post because of lack of punctuation and paragraphs. The problem is, you come across as just incoherently ranting and people won't take anything you say seriously.

masterofdoom · 08/05/2025 16:44

Maitri108

In order to back up what you're saying, if you could provide evidence, it would be appreciated.
I couldn't get through your first post because of lack of punctuation and paragraphs. The problem is, you come across as just incoherently ranting and people won't take anything you say seriously.

i backed up 2 things that ive said weve covered this before on the same topic and ive backed up what ive said you wouldnt accept what ive said because you seem anti male everything thats wrong with the world is a mans fault women are perfect women are always potrayed as victims and if anybody doesnt agree with your narrative theyre accused of rampling, being incoherent, clueless etc theres no point in debating with you

masterofdoom · 08/05/2025 16:45

and i meant rambling not rampling

Maitri108 · 08/05/2025 16:46

masterofdoom · 08/05/2025 16:44

Maitri108

In order to back up what you're saying, if you could provide evidence, it would be appreciated.
I couldn't get through your first post because of lack of punctuation and paragraphs. The problem is, you come across as just incoherently ranting and people won't take anything you say seriously.

i backed up 2 things that ive said weve covered this before on the same topic and ive backed up what ive said you wouldnt accept what ive said because you seem anti male everything thats wrong with the world is a mans fault women are perfect women are always potrayed as victims and if anybody doesnt agree with your narrative theyre accused of rampling, being incoherent, clueless etc theres no point in debating with you

If you want to take part in a debate then back up what you're saying.

Men are killing themselves because of domestic abuse by women.

Evidence please.

masterofdoom · 08/05/2025 19:12

i didnt say domestic abuse caused men to commit suicide i said other factors such as women lying about being raped by men which does happen and can effect a mans life everything can be taken away from him his home job family kids freinds and the accused can be shunned where they live by theyre community you have issues with reading posts my previous post was coherent and provided evidance to support what ive said but you still choose not to believe me i proviided statistics by the police and home office to back up what ive said about false rape accusations which are just as harmfull as domestic abuse id say maybe more so as domestic abuse victims tend to be supported if your accused of rape obviously thats not the case people wrongly assume no smoke without fire that leads to more suicide if you dont think that happens then your living on a different planet

masterofdoom · 08/05/2025 19:20

my previous post should have said i provided evidance (statistics) provided by the police and home office to back up what ive said about rape claims by women this has been previously discussed on this topic

Perfect28 · 08/05/2025 19:26

Do we have the same man on here posting under two different names? Why?

Maitri108 · 08/05/2025 19:42

Perfect28 · 08/05/2025 19:26

Do we have the same man on here posting under two different names? Why?

No that was my fault. I thought it was the same poster but I think we've got someone else here.

snughugs · 08/05/2025 23:28

masterofdoom · 08/05/2025 19:20

my previous post should have said i provided evidance (statistics) provided by the police and home office to back up what ive said about rape claims by women this has been previously discussed on this topic

So the problem is women? Why are so many women dying due to domestic violence?

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masterofdoom · 09/05/2025 07:41

Perfect28 · Yesterday 19:26

Do we have the same man on here posting under two different names? Why?

two different people paranoid much?

masterofdoom · 09/05/2025 07:43

So the problem is women? Why are so many women dying due to domestic violence?

women do have issues lets not pretend theyre perfect as for domestic violance that needs to be addressed for all victims (both men and women)

Laidbackluke · 09/05/2025 09:29

Maitri108 · 06/05/2025 20:35

However there is also a strong link between being less agreeable and earnings so maybe women who earn less are more argumentative than those that earn less.

There's absolutely no link whatsoever with high earnings and agreeableness. You seem to be saying that high earning women deserve a slapping for being argumentative. You don't know anything about DV but you're an expert on victim blaming and sweeping generalisations.

This evidence on men killing themselves and being victims of abuse - I'd love to see it.

Agreeableness is one of the big 5 predictors of earnings. The big 5 are, they typically result in pay differences of and are more common in:

Conscientiousness: +15 to 25% - slightly higher in women.
Extraversion: +10 to +20% - mixed.
Openness: +5 to +15% - no clear difference.
Agreeableness: −10 to −20% - women more agreeable.
Neuroticism: −10 to −25% - higher in women.

Costa, Terracciano & McCrae across 55 cultures found consistent gender differences worldwide, especially in agreeableness and neuroticism.

Laidbackluke · 09/05/2025 10:35

Perfect28 · 07/05/2025 18:52

@Laidbackluketell me two things-

Do you believe in 'the nuclear family' as in, two parents, opposite sex, in gender stereotyped roles?

Do you believe that men are more intelligent and capable than women?

No, I'm not aware of any evidence of IQ being linked to sex.

Men and women can both be very capable, but evidence suggests they bring different skills to parenting. Women tend to excel at nurturing, emotional attunement, language / communication and, multitasking / routine management. Men tend to help learn physical play / risk taking and, boundaries / discipline.

I haven't suggested a nuclear family needs to conform to typical gender roles, or even be a hetrosexaul couple. But I do strongly believe there are big benefits to children growing up in a setting with married parents who work and live together. They often bring different skills and can support each other.

Being a lone parent is strongly linked to poverty, poverty is a negative indicator in almost all aspects of a child life, from development, to life expectancy, educational outcomes as well as physical / mental health.

Laidbackluke · 09/05/2025 10:37

Maitri108 · 05/05/2025 20:40

How are men ignored? They run the country.

Society tends to validate and support women’s struggles more openly, while men’s issues often remain less visible or are stigmatized.

Both genders face unique challenges — and both deserve tailored support, recognition, and empathy without being pitted against one another.

Maitri108 · 09/05/2025 12:35

Laidbackluke · 09/05/2025 09:29

Agreeableness is one of the big 5 predictors of earnings. The big 5 are, they typically result in pay differences of and are more common in:

Conscientiousness: +15 to 25% - slightly higher in women.
Extraversion: +10 to +20% - mixed.
Openness: +5 to +15% - no clear difference.
Agreeableness: −10 to −20% - women more agreeable.
Neuroticism: −10 to −25% - higher in women.

Costa, Terracciano & McCrae across 55 cultures found consistent gender differences worldwide, especially in agreeableness and neuroticism.

How does this demonstrate that women who earn more money are more argumentative?

Maitri108 · 09/05/2025 12:41

Laidbackluke · 09/05/2025 10:37

Society tends to validate and support women’s struggles more openly, while men’s issues often remain less visible or are stigmatized.

Both genders face unique challenges — and both deserve tailored support, recognition, and empathy without being pitted against one another.

Women do the vast majority of childcare and housework, women choose lesser paid jobs because of childcare responsibilities, women are unpaid carers often living in poverty, less research goes into women's medical issues, two women a week die from domestic abuse, one in three are sexually abused, women are vastly poorer after divorce...

Can you point out the investment, schemes and changes governments have made in order to alleviate these uniquely female problems please?

Perfect28 · 09/05/2025 13:17

@Laidbackluke sorry but that's simply not true. There is not evidence to say 'women are better at nurturing'. I mean if you actually bothered to critique your own viewpoint you would realize this independently (what's the measure of 'nurture' for example, how is that quantified?)

The differences you describe could be completely explained by socializations, expectations and stereotypes. There is nothing in our biology that determines these things.

Grumpsy · 09/05/2025 19:39

I also think it’s a combination. A mix of Tate, poor role models, porn, the Internet etc.

Laidbackluke · 09/05/2025 20:31

Maitri108 · 09/05/2025 12:35

How does this demonstrate that women who earn more money are more argumentative?

Beauce the Big 5 personality traits say on average they will be?

These are the things which predict higher enarings, they are the traits on average higher earners have.

Maitri108 · 09/05/2025 20:34

Laidbackluke · 09/05/2025 20:31

Beauce the Big 5 personality traits say on average they will be?

These are the things which predict higher enarings, they are the traits on average higher earners have.

You're not making sense. All women who earn more money than their partners are argumentative? All of them and this has been proven?

Laidbackluke · 09/05/2025 20:35

Perfect28 · 09/05/2025 13:17

@Laidbackluke sorry but that's simply not true. There is not evidence to say 'women are better at nurturing'. I mean if you actually bothered to critique your own viewpoint you would realize this independently (what's the measure of 'nurture' for example, how is that quantified?)

The differences you describe could be completely explained by socializations, expectations and stereotypes. There is nothing in our biology that determines these things.

There is a sociological aspect to it, but there is also evidence that women tend to release more oxytocin (the "bonding hormone") during social interactions and especially after childbirth, which promotes caregiving and emotional bonding.

fMRI scans have shown that certain areas of the female brain — especially those involved in emotional processing and empathy — light up more during caregiving tasks (e.g., when hearing a baby cry).

Feldman, R. (2007). Maternal behavior and the developing infant: Reciprocal influences. This study shows that mothers exhibit high levels of attunement to infant cues, facilitated by neurohormonal changes post-birth.

Laidbackluke · 09/05/2025 20:43

Maitri108 · 09/05/2025 20:34

You're not making sense. All women who earn more money than their partners are argumentative? All of them and this has been proven?

Higher earners (men and women) are on average (not all but measurable statistically) less agreeable than lower earners.

It's not hard to understand why, typically less agreeable people:

  1. Negotiate harder for pay rises, promotions etc.
  2. Are more driven by results than relationships.
  3. Perceived to be leaders.
  4. Are more competitive.
  5. Are less exploitable, agreeable people take on more work without pay or reward.

Noe of this is my opinion, it's what the research on the subject shows.

Maitri108 · 09/05/2025 20:47

Laidbackluke · 09/05/2025 20:43

Higher earners (men and women) are on average (not all but measurable statistically) less agreeable than lower earners.

It's not hard to understand why, typically less agreeable people:

  1. Negotiate harder for pay rises, promotions etc.
  2. Are more driven by results than relationships.
  3. Perceived to be leaders.
  4. Are more competitive.
  5. Are less exploitable, agreeable people take on more work without pay or reward.

Noe of this is my opinion, it's what the research on the subject shows.

That makes sense in the way that men, who are typically the higher earners are abusive. However it doesn't excuse violence against women.

Laidbackluke · 09/05/2025 21:18

Maitri108 · 09/05/2025 20:47

That makes sense in the way that men, who are typically the higher earners are abusive. However it doesn't excuse violence against women.

You seem to view abuse as a male only problem?

Maitri108 · 09/05/2025 21:23

Laidbackluke · 09/05/2025 21:18

You seem to view abuse as a male only problem?

Could you provide evidence that it's not predominantly men who abuse?