Is it really Andrew Tate or do some boys just have terrible role models in the home?

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I’m seeing all this sexism in class stuff on TV just now, they blame Andrew Tate for everything. I bet a lot of these boys have Fathers and male role models who are the type of men we read about on the relationship boards here. You know the guys who want a submissive provider.

Unless the girl had a penis, she didn't rape him.

Great as anecdotes are, they're not evidence. Primary school children are being raped and sexually assaulted and it's boys doing the assaults.

she was on top while her freinds pinned him down use your imagination i dont know whats happened to you but youve got your mind made up that its always men that are the perpatrators and nothing ill say will convince you other wise so theres no point debating with you i can go get facts and figures and youd still argue with me that theyre wrong so no wasting my time

Rape involves penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth by a penis.

nothing ill say will convince you other wise

Statistics would. Prove women are as dangerous to men via data.

ive already given you data you basicly called me a liar so lets move on youve got your mind made up men are all monsters and you poor defenceless women are always the victims if thats how you want to see things good luck to you

You haven't given me the data.

How many men are sexually assaulted by women per year?
How many men are murdered by a partner or ex partner a year?
How many men are killed during 'rough sex' with a female partner?

According to you, women are just as much a threat as men and I would appreciate the data that backs up your claim.

Maitri108
Rape involves penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth by a penis

interesting ive just looked that up and that seems to be the polices defination of rape id say what that girl did was definatly a sexual assault and the defination of rape should be changed to unwanted forced unconsensual sex no matter if its a male or female perpatrator

No, it's the legal definition of rape. What you're describing is sexual assault.

thats basicly what i said and what that girl did was rape she had unconsensual sex with a boy against his will thats why i said the defination of rape should be changed

Petition the government.

why dont you with all your gripes maitri

It's not me that thinks the definition is incorrect. So I suggested you petition the government.

Calling violence against women and girls 'gripes' seems very dismissive but perhaps we can get back to the topic of the thread which is misogyny in boys.

Why do you think young boys are being so aggressive towards women and girls?

you were just as dismissive at points i made maitri be consistant why dont you go ask those young boys directly i cant answer for them

Unfortunately I can't ask all the school boys who are being aggressive towards women and girls why they're doing it. I assume you're male and would have a better vantage point but evidently not.

I wasn't dismissive towards you, I asked you to back up your claims with evidence which you were unable to do.

Maitri108

i cant speak for anyone else specially people i dont know when i dont know theyre mindset theyre personal experiences theyre personal situation so why would you ask me to speak for a complete stranger im sure you knew that when you asked so silly question Im a male and i would say that ive dealt with aggressive women in my time and its strange in the past ive heard women say they actually prefer working for male bosses than female bosses as theyre easier to deal with ive also had female freinds who prefer to hang about with guys as they find women more bitchy and women love to gossip and stirr the preverbial

@masterofdoom
cant speak for anyone else specially people i dont know when i dont know theyre mindset theyre personal experiences theyre personal situation so why would you ask me to speak for a complete stranger im sure you knew that when you asked so silly question

It's the subject of the thread. I asked your opinion on the subject of the thread. I don't understand why you're on the thread if you think it's 'silly'.

Im a male and i would say that ive dealt with aggressive women in my time and its strange in the past ive heard women say they actually prefer working for male bosses than female bosses as theyre easier to deal with ive also had female freinds who prefer to hang about with guys as they find women more bitchy and women love to gossip and stirr the preverbial

These are just lazy stereotypes and have nothing to do with the thread. Of course women can be aggressive, they're just not as aggressive as men.

Maitri108
These are just lazy stereotypes and have nothing to do with the thread. Of course women can be aggressive, they're just not as aggressive as men

so a woman cant be aggrsive maniplulative she cant bully she cant be physically or verbally abusive she cant stalk she cant make threats?

It's the subject of the thread. I asked your opinion on the subject of the thread. I don't understand why you're on the thread if you think it's 'silly'

your taking what ive said out of context i said i cant speak for anyone else and the fact that you expect me to is silly

@masterofdoom

There seems to be a miscommunication here.

I said Of course women can be aggressive

You responded with: so a woman cant be aggrsive...

You don't seem to be reading what I'm saying.

Again we have a miscommunication:

your taking what ive said out of context i said i cant speak for anyone else and the fact that you expect me to is silly

I didn't ask you to speak for anyone else, I asked your opinion on the subject of the thread. If people don't give opinions because it's 'silly', there would be no discussion.

However it seems as though you don't want a discussion, you just want to bicker with people.

Both. Boys are probably mostly not getting the type of extreme Tate-style misogyny from home, but the lower-level sexism, disrespect and inequality they see in their family probably makes it easier for them to accept what Tate and his ilk peddle.

I agree, but also feeling invisible at home, not being able to relate to their parents or engage with them. Some might say it's normal for teens to feel like that, but that's where parents have to make an effort to engage and find some common ground.

I noticed my son changed in his early 20s I tried to speak to him but he was too far into the manosphere.
The day he came over and sat on my sofa with me and my teenage girls and said that Andrew Tate has got it spot on was the day I lost all respect for him and the very last time he was welcome in my house. Yes it takes guts to do that to your son and not many will because it’s always the other men that are the real problem. All the time mummy turns a blind eye then sons will grow up thinking it’s acceptable and daughters will see this and think the same.

What shouldn't be on women's terms though? What shouldn't they have the ability to decide for themselves, or object to?

What should the specific act of penetration with a penis be called? Or are we going to pretend it's not a distinct thing.

We are to blame. By that I mean women, we have caused it.

Yesterday there was a thread about parents being naked in front of their children. Within the OP was the sentence

"Do you allow your husband to be naked in front of your children"

WTF!

We label men, even our own Husbands, as sexual predators who apparently aren't even safe to be around their own children. Nobody on the thread even questioned that sentence in the OP.

No wonder young men/boys don't have positive male role models. They are labeled as abusers just for existing.

How many of you would let a teenage boy babysit your children?

Exactly!

How can there be role models when none of you/us trust our own Sons or Husbands?

@Chiseltip

By that I mean women, we have caused it.

Caused what? Men are equally responsible for the upbringing of their sons, for the messages they give boys, for neglecting them and not monitoring their internet use and for discipling them.

Try reading my post again.