Julie Bindel and JK Rowling laughing about the Musk Nazi salute incident

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Thought someone might have already done a thread on this. I don’t always agree with Bindel but had a lot of time for her, but this has really surprised me. Not sure why they would be finding it amusing - Musk and Trump are hardly figures of fun, for feminists especially, whatever you think of the (clearly far right!) salute.

All the American politicians do this salute,it’s nothing to do with nazis,it’s an American thing.I’ll take the Rabbis opinion on this.

Seems a common gesture by many American politicians.Are they all Nazis?

Oh, well no it isn't part of that ideology. The Democrats could easily have stated that reality exists if they wanted to, but they are funded by men who are heavily invested in the transgender ideology.

They had every opportunity to reign it in. They gave this election away, Trump didn't actually have to do anything and the 'They/them' advert pretty much sealed the deal.

Why obviously? The links between Musk and neonazi groups in the US and Europe are all out in the open and quite well known. Musk and Thiel, his former business partner, are all in on white supremacy very publicly.

I think if you are going to accuse the richest man in the world of being a white supremacist, you need more than 'said a heartfelt thanks to people in front and behind him by waving his hands about'. Especially as it wouldn't be you but MNHQ in front of the court.

Can you tell me what other salute exists that executes arm movement like that? I am genuinely curious to learn.

Show videos, not still pictures. As I said above, what salute executes arm movement in that exact way?

Showing still pictures showing the end position of said arm movement is not the same as performing the whole motion.

Sorry to say, but you are either quite daft or purposefully searching for an excuse.

It’s only a Nazi salute if it is done with intent. If someone extends their arm out, gesticulating when giving a speech then it’s not a Nazi salute.

Pledging allegiance to the American flag is one. Hence nearly every president and wannabe president, and many speakers and orators, all doing exactly the same

Yup

It's normal to agree with people on some things but not others. That's being an adult

Clearly then, JK Rowling was sarcastically indicating that accidental Nazi salutes don’t happen! She wasn’t excusing him.

@StrikeForever JK Rowling was quite obviously mocking anyone who believed Elon was executing a Nazi salute.

Pledging allegiance to the American flag is done with hand on heart, not with a straight-armed salute though. Unless you're thinking of pre-1942? The old salute was replaced due to its similarity to the Nazi salute.

Netanyahu knows he isn't antisemitic...

everyone seems very convinced that Elon Musk is “far right”. Until a few years ago he was a democrat supporter and donated to Obama’s and Hilary Clinton’s campaigns.

I think his movement to the Republicans simply reflects the shift in the wider American population- the democrats are too out of touch. He also has skin in the game on the trans issue having a son who transitioned, and I suspect the Trump rhetoric particularly about child transition, comes from him.

@HermioneWeasley and of course a number of Trump’s team (Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr etc) are former Democrats. Also amusing that Democrats were saying they need their own Joe Rogan, well you had him; a lifelong Democrat who was an outspoken Bernie Sanders supporter.

I find it absolutely incredible that the left are expanding so much time and energy on this absurd “salute” given all the issues they face. And of course that of all the actual anti semitism we have seen since October 7, this is what people are getting worked up about.

The trans policy predates Musk’s (known) involvement. Also linked to the ambitions of Project 25 - another bit of evidence that links it to the erosion of women’s rights in the US, as inconvenient as that seems to be for some! It’s already spreading to the UK via the likes of ADF, which is why it feels so vital that anyone who cares about feminism takes these issues incredibly seriously.

I don’t think Musk’s political history is relevant but he does have history of using his wealth and power to remove some of his very young children from their mother so probably shouldn’t be praised for his fatherly care and concern!

Musk is currently supporting Tommy Robinson and suggesting that our democratically elected government is "removed". If that doesn't tell you about his current political motivations I don't know what will.

There are a lot of reasons to dislike Tommy Robinson and I can't pretend otherwise. You may also argue that his motives are a bit suspect. But that doesn't change the very strong likelihood that he has been silenced, censored and punished by the establishment for repeatly exposing some uncomfortable truths that the establishment would prefer stayed out of the public domain for the sake of 'social cohesion.'

@TwigletsAndRadishes I was referring to Musk's political motivations and his recent political allegiances and suggestion of removing our democratically elected Prime Minister.

You can try to distract from it with a bit of whataboutery though.

I’m not sure now. The jokes are stupid, but she could have been making either point. If you’re right, I’m horrified, as I generally admire her.

Is what he's said really any worse than some of the things said by people like David Lammy about Trump? I don't think so. Either all people in politics should keep quiet, dignified and diplomatic on the politics of other countries or none of them should have to, and they can say what they like. Which is it?

I agree with this. Its very obviously not a Nazi salute and I too am mocking people who think it is.

Its really obvious what it is if you watch his speech. He talks about his heartfelt thanks to all the people in the audience who led to their election victory, then he puts his hand over his heart and then extends out his arm to the people in front and behind him to extend his thanks.

The sort of people who called Trump and his supporters Nazis for the entire election campaign have, ridiculously, jumped on this as 'proof' they are indeed Nazis.

Its pathetic. It really is.