Did Harris lose because she was a woman?

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Apparently even after calling Puerto Rico a floating island of trash, many immigrants still voted for Trump. It's been argued that some sectors of society simply won't vote for a woman.

Even on here, I saw a post asking if a woman would be respected by world leaders.

Just wait for the next 4 years. I'm sure it will be absolutely brilliant 🤔

I hope she has tried the real intelligence test. If asked "What is a woman"? The only reply can be "A woman is a biologically born female".. It's amazing that some politicians can not answer this very basic question correctly.

Trying to get some Trump supporters to see what Trump is actually like is impossible.

It was the same with Hitler (who also wanted to make Germany great again).

I remember reading a book written by a Jewish woman. She had just been freed from a concentration camp. The war was just over. She was talking to some local German men about what she had been through in the camp. She was telling them about the terrible conditions.

They said "but why were you in there, you must have done crime" she said "I have been put there simply because I an a jew".

She said that the German men replied to her

"oh no the fuhrer would never have done that! He was a great kind man , who cared about people. He was a great man"

No. You're not making sense.

This encapsulates it perfectly.

Well she's passed the more important test in that she has managed not to commit sexual assault or any crime.

Traits that are important in a leader

Partly and partly because she is black but for other reasons too.
70 million Americans voted for Trump which is staggering when you think about what he is.
We have close friends ( a couple, no DC) in Chicago - who voted Harris- but have said today that these (below) are reasons Americans voted Trump.
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'When Biden was elected our weekly groceries cost about $200. Today the same list costs $300-350. A gallon of gas (petrol) cost $3.50. Today it’s $6.00.
When the average US person thinks about the economy they don’t think GDP, or employment levels - they think about grocery bills, gas prices and the interest payments on their mortgages (before Biden less than 2%, today 6%). To everyday people the economy sucks. To a businessperson or economist it’s stellar.

So I’m sure 70m people voted for a better economy - as they see it. A vast majority of Hispanic people voted for Trump. They are predominantly lower paid and have bigger families.

The immigration issues in the US are very real. Intellectuals empathize with their needs and the poverty and violence in central America they are trying to escape from. Everyday folk in the states who are less used to seeing people of color worry that they will bring unwelcome change. Trump panders to this.

So don’t think 70m people all run around with MAGA hats on. Many probably despise Trump too. They were just prepared to see past his many issues and vote for someone who may do something about their money issues.

Harris through association with Biden did nothing to help the average American’s costs. And there was nothing in Harris’s policy proposals to address these key issues.

So a lot of the 70m voted with their pockets because they probably could not afford to vote any other way.'
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I think she focussed on things that weren't the priorities of lots of Americans.

Neither she nor Trump had National Security high on their agenda- it needed to be huge.

It's a lesson for British politicians. Starmer needs to be very careful that he focuses on what matters to ordinary people. The cost of living firstly. Starmer also has to deal with illegal immigration, getting more people working, re-balancing the tax burden and sorting out adult social care costs and the NHS as well as re-building our other key services.

Farage and the Tories will do a lot of shouting about immigration- quite rightly because illegal immigration is a concern for many people. They'll drag us into 'Little Britain' fascism.

There's a swing across Europe against illegal immigration and there's no point in us pretending there isn't. It will be fed by right-wing fascists like Farage who have no interest in dealing with it effectively - they just want to whip up fear and social disorder and profit from the capitalistic politics of the right that go with it.

No.

It didn't help her - but to focus on her sex rather than the mistakes the democratic party made this election - just means they won't learn for next time.

I think Biden conduct here's been awful - he should have stepped down sooner and avoided gaffs like calling Trump supporters garbage so near election.

She got shoved off a glass cliff and didn't manage to cobble together a parachute for her party.

I think that Kamala was a really decent person. She had a glittering career, she was intelligent. It would have been a nice era.

Thank God trump can't run again after this time. I hope we get some better candidates.

It's hard to get anyone nice in though, because a lot of the republican side don't change. They are sexist and racist.

I remember a man in America wrote a good article once . It was called "the last stand of the angry white man".

In the article he wrote that men in the USA feel their power diminishing in different areas, so they will never elect a female president. As that would be giving away the last bit of huge power they have

There was an article in the Guardian today on exactly that.

Nope.

Of course some voters won't vote for a woman just as there are many that overlooked at how useless she would be and voted for her just because she was a woman.

Obama was only voted for because he was black and no other reason by some and others will have not voted for him because he was black.

An important trait in a leader is to know the difference between the two sex male & female.
Also her refusal to acknowledge all her supporters last night showed very poor leadership skills. It was rude & ignorant. She should have spoke a few words instead of running away.

If we look at it further, we could also say that the system of having

One leader

Over millions and millions of people.

Is a ridiculous system in itself

That's why there is a vice president, ministerial roles, the Senate, the house, advisory roles etc.. Governors & senators for each state.. I for one am delighted America chose Republican accross the board now finally maybe some common sense will prevail.

You may be right but the reality is that no politician can change that to any degree. Energy costs have skyrocketed worldwide and as soon as that happens it has a massive impact on the cost of almost everything.

Politicians like to take the credit when the economy is going well but in many cases it is just a natural cycle and they have little influence over that either.

Yes!

Yes, but im talking about where they spend ages getting people to vote on a leader for the USA

A leader which always comes from one of two parties.

And the families always usually vote for the party that their family has grown up in.

How is it much of a choice, when people only have two people to choose between

Its never much of a choice.

Choosing between two people is not much of a choice (I know there are other parties but the president has never come from any of those parties. It's always from the same two parties)

It's a bad system.

Wouldn't it be better if there was a big team of people voted in, who all had equal power with each other

How do you get people to not see that they are prisoners.

By letting them vote for their choice of prison officer

That must be it. After all, everyone who lives there supports her party and its policies. No one has ever voted for any other party or held any other views other than hers.

"She got shoved off a glass cliff and didn't manage to cobble together a parachute for her party."

This. "It's the economy, stupid. " If the economy is roaring and everyone feels well off the candidate for the incumbent party just has to not stuff up the campaign too badly. If the opposite is true the incumbent will have a very hard job convincing voters.

It's a bad look that Biden was allowed to cling on so long, as if the Dems themselves had more confidence in a shambling , senile wreck than her till they were forced to get rid of him.

Mind you, if Trump was an overweight female in her late 70s, with an orange face, a jowly neck and a bad dye job, rambling "They're eating the pets" , she wouldn't have even got into the White House to mop the floors.

Yup. Ultimately, yes she did, OP. There are all kinds of other reasons overlaid on top, but this is the fundamental one.

No, she was a terrible candidate with either terrible or non-existent policies. She should never have run - I'm not happy Trump's won, but I wouldn't have been happy having her as the first female president as I think she would have demeaned the title. The position should go to someone infinitely more competent than her. I do have a sneaky feeling the first woman might be from the right anyway, as most female leaders seem to be.

In your opinion.

I don't think that she was a terrible candidate.

I thought she spoke extremely well.

And she has been a lawyer, a senator, an attorney general of California, and a vice president of the USA

She has demonstrated her intelligence in many different jobs. She was well qualified.

I said upthread that I think that Biden not stepping down after one term and allowing his party to go through the full primary process was a big factor.

I also think that what @AppropriateAdult is saying is relevant. I live in a solid Blue state and what I’ve observed is that nowadays, the Left tend to view anyone who doesn’t absolutely agree with them as complete idiots and refuse to associate with them.

I’m not joking when I say that in my neighborhood, being a Republican (even if you don’t support Trump, but any Republican ever ) would be social suicide, you’d be ostracized.

That moral judgement is a huge issue for the Dems, because how can you convince someone to vote for your party if you treat them with contempt? Yes, some will be right-wing no-hopers worthy of contempt, but some are probably struggling with the COL and can’t see what the Democrats will do to help them. Trump’s vague promises are better than nothing, I suppose.

Before anyone accuses me of being a Trump supporter, I didn’t vote for him.