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Does anyone feel like they have gone too far with gender critical?

198 replies

Francine83 · 05/11/2024 17:35

I have been really interested in lots of the gender critical ideas and have read a lot. I deeply share a lot of the very real feminist concerns. But does anyone ever feel that they went a bit far with some of these ideas? I know a lot of us have been exploring these ideas for a while now and I'm interested to hear how things have evolved for people. I would really welcome a reasonable and genuine chat about this.

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Nerdles · 05/11/2024 17:38

No

OnTheBounce · 05/11/2024 17:40

I think you'll need to give examples of what you feel is 'a bit far'.

TexasHatesWomen · 05/11/2024 17:41

No!!

Hoppinggreen · 05/11/2024 17:41

No

YouAreOne · 05/11/2024 17:42

No.

SallyForf · 05/11/2024 17:42

OnTheBounce · 05/11/2024 17:40

I think you'll need to give examples of what you feel is 'a bit far'.

Yes please, if we could have an example or two then we can be sure we're not talking at cross purposes.

AlteredStater · 05/11/2024 17:42

You should probably outline some of those ideas so we can discuss them like you want to!

NoWordForFluffy · 05/11/2024 17:42

Spit out which ideas you think went 'too far', then we can discuss it properly. However, my general answer is no.

Namechangeforadhd · 05/11/2024 17:43

No. In fact I feel I don't go far enough as I never mention it in real life when i should be shouting from the rooftops about what is fundamentally men's rights activism. I'm a coward though.

EmpressaurusDelleGatte · 05/11/2024 17:43

Beware of ‘I’m as gender critical as they come, but…’

KohlaParasaurus · 05/11/2024 17:45

No. What do you think might be considered "too far"?

LizzieBowesLyon · 05/11/2024 17:45

Nope. Examples please.

Also; not far enough

TeaMistress · 05/11/2024 17:47

No. Women hold the line. We defend our spaces, our sports and our words. We stand up for vulnerable women and girls and we do not cede any aspect of these to men. Let's put this in perspective, it's not possible to go too far in terms of "gender critical" views because we are battling a rabid mob who think that the assertion of biological reality is extremist. It's not possible to go too far in our battle against this poisonous ideology.

SensibleSigma · 05/11/2024 17:47

Absolutely not. Stating facts and speaking truth is not ‘going too far’.

Which of the following would you think is ‘too far’?

People cannot change sex.
Children should not be medicalised unnecessarily, or sold untruths as a solution to their distress.
Men should not be placed in women’s prisons or sports or rape crisis shelters.

I think there are more but I can’t imagine anyone finding that list to be ‘too far’.

Edenmum2 · 05/11/2024 17:50

I do wonder who GC people in America are voting for.

Manyshelves · 05/11/2024 17:51

Well, yes. A bit. But I’ll get torn to bits on here.

I am still GC and do not believe humans can change sex. But I have been uncomfortable with the association with the very right wing of politics, and the sheer vitriol expressed at times. Many activists on both sides have become so extreme that I find it pretty horrible. So I think I’ve softened my position. Although I still disagree with men in women’s spaces and sports, but don’t engage in things like mocking how they look

Namechange10101010 · 05/11/2024 17:57

Until the conflagration of sex and gender stops - No!

NB I am not responsible for anyone who uses physical threats or violence on either side of the debate. That is wrong , not that I've yet seen any on the GC side....

FlirtsWithRhinos · 05/11/2024 18:00

Has anyone noticed how posts to start a thread about Gender Critical Analysis / Feminism itself as a topic, as opposed to posts that give a gender critical view on another topic (like trans women in women's sports, or single sex rape services) seem to have an odd way of using language?

This one, for example, has "Gender Critical" as a noun rather than an adjective. It would be natural to refer to Gender Critical Analysis, or Gender Critical Feminism, or possibly Gender Critique, but not just "Gender Critical".

It does feel like posters who ask how we feel about being gender critical have a fundamental misunderstanding of Gender Criticism. It's not an identity or a thing that stands alone, it's a methodology/critical framework to apply when analysing something.

BTW in answer to the OP's question - no. I am never nasty to or about individual people, but I do not accept gender is anything other than a set of socially constructed beliefs attached to sex that impose arbitrary and untimately limiting contraints on both men and women, but especially and most unfairly on women, and I don't feel there is a reasonable level of sexism we should be happy to accept.

Laalaalaand · 05/11/2024 18:01

Yeah i do think it's possible to go so far that you're not actually gender critical anymore, you actually start to look askance at any man who doesn't comply with manly stereotypes - some seem to think a man wearing feminine clothes and wearing make up is fair game for ridicule. Or a male transgender person going about their day, doing generic activities is a threat and ought to be stopped from partaking in anything while dressed in feminine clothes. A lot of these threads and posts get deleted but they happen with alarming regularity. I've lost count of the number of posts I've reported that are simply hateful about an individual who is acting outside the norm, or people trying to guess if someone's a man or woman with derogatory comments.

Being gender critical to me means accepting that anyone can wear or do anything they like but men and women are immutable and cannot change sex. Basically a lack of belief in gender stereotypes. I don't want men in the toilets or hospital ward with me, but i don't care if they want to wear a dress and make up.

lifeturnsonadime · 05/11/2024 18:01

No I don't feel that I / it has gone far enough.

Until women get our rights to single sex spaces and sports back and until they stop putting children on pathways of medical harm it hasn't gone anywhere near enough.

AlisonDonut · 05/11/2024 18:03

Nope.

TeaMistress · 05/11/2024 18:03

We cannot soften our views on biological sex. They are fact. Women will not sit quietly and be demeaned and degraded and diminished by men. We do not compromise. We do not surrender. Ever. I condemn the violent activists who threaten to harm women to try and intimidate us into silence and compliance whilst they encroach on our rights and our spaces.

RedToothBrush · 05/11/2024 18:04

Can anyone explain why this isn't a goady thread?

What examples do we have that saying sex is not gender has 'gone too far'.

I'm sorry but who has moved the goal posts here?

But here we have yet another example of trying to paint reality of biology as an extreme idea.

InfoSecInTheCity · 05/11/2024 18:04

I don't think so no.

At a basic level I just don't believe in the concept that a person can change sex.

I think it's incredibly important that Law reflects that. Going down the 'gender' route in Legislation is too grey, and leaves too many loopholes and unclear guidelines that ends up removing established and necessary rights for other protected group. The idea that we are living in a period of time where Authorities this it's acceptable to place a male bodied sexual abuser in a locked cell with a female inmate is ludicrous, dangerous and wholly unacceptable. There is no excuse for it. I have had to self exclude from a gym that I really liked because it has an open plan womens changing room and they include all definitions of Woman. I will not risk being naked in front of a male I don't know and don't consent to seeing me naked, so I can't use that gym anymore.

The medical and psychological treatments for gender transition are harmful. They have serious, lifelong consequences and we seem to have entered a phase where we are willing to ignore and overlook those consequences in the name of inclusivity. It's horrifying to me that we would remove healthy body parts from a human being or give a child medication that prevents their sexual organs from developing, condemning them to a life where they will never experience sexual pleasure.

From a social perspective, we were getting there, it felt like we were finally starting to see some progress in the reduction of gender stereotypes. We went through the 80s with the androgynous looks, and were normalising anyone who fancied it wearing make up or bright pink. It was becoming less acceptable to say 'those are boys toys'. Now it feels like we're back to stage 1 and anyone who deviates in any way from the template of typical boy or girl should be considered Trans.

I have no desire to hurt anyones feelings, and have always used names and pronouns that someone asks me to use to refer to them, because I am not an inherently mean person and I want to make the people around me feel comfortable. But it's becoming more and more difficult to tolerate when the words that I use to describe myself 'mother', 'woman' are being appropriated and we're being told we should be referred to as 'uterus haver', 'menstuator', 'birthing parent'... so that a man in a dress can use the words woman and mother instead.

nietzscheanvibe · 05/11/2024 18:06

Ideas?

You mean "facts"?

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