Rise of the far right

[BardsAreAssholes]

I am watching election news with increasing fear. The deranged Trump conspiracy theorists supporters in the US, overturning Roe Vs Wade, the far right gaining traction in Europe, some of the rhetoric here. Hell, the fact the Rwanda idea was not immediately dismissed as insane.

Then outside the West there’s the threat to women’s lives in Afghanistan, Iran…

How does this end? How does it reverse? Other than a WW2 scenario, how do we secure the safety and freedom of women and girls?

I want to be optimistic, but I’m struggling to see a route to progress. I’m hoping the much more knowledgeable souls of FWR will know.

The AfD have got Nazi sympathisers in their ranks and held a meeting to discuss the mass deportation of non ethnic Germans. They're pretty far right on the spectrum. Towards the far end

I said they were Nazi sympathisers who committed some of the worst possible atrocities. The mass deportation of people who aren't white is pretty far right

Good day to you too.

You take care now

Don't worry. I know what a clown is

The colour of skin is completely and utterly irrelevant! If you are not legally entitled to be here, you shouldn’t be here. It’s as simple as that. I honestly can not believe you do not grasp the importance of secure borders, having a points based system that is fair and meets the needs of ege economy and a proper deterrent to stop people traffickers making huge profits from suffering and misery. This had to stop cupcake.

Had to laugh at this^

You never saw Tommy Robinson arrested in London?

The murder of Jo Cox ?

BBC left wing? their main current affairs lead journalist is Nick Robinson, who has been a leading tory activist previously.

Reform hide behind immigration as a means to gain power and once in, would do the things you purport not to want..... though i suspect you do want them.

Farage supports the death penalty and didn't someone at the top of Reform say we should have had a peace agreement with Hitler?
they want to tow migrant boats back to France, against all international agreements... how do you think the French will react?

No need to shout! i can read!!!

The law?? well, the law can be made to say anything at all......

You think towing people back to France before they land here in the UK is a sensible idea?
These boats are totally unseaworthy, the people on them will almost certainly drown as boats capsize, Reforms policy is to leave them in the water.
If drowning is acceptable to you, why not other deadly forms of "deterrent?"

Deporting people is of course perfectly legal, provided the country you are planning on sending them too is safe and agrees to have them back.

& there lies the problem, many of these people come from areas that we cannot send back too, Syria, Afghanistan, Sudan, Iran, but some more recent arrivals are from Vietnam, why are we seeking a returns agreement with them?

But the point here is x channel migration is tiny compared to the 750k the Tories think is ok to allow in to the UK.

I get it. You'd be first in line at the Wannsee conference. The meeting discussed 'remigration' which included the removal of asylum seekers, 'non assimilated' people and those of non German backgrounds even if they hold residency rights and citizenship. If that doesn't send a shiver down your spine, I suggest you get therapy.

I think you’re the one who needs therapy, what you have put is so far removed from what the poster said it seems you have no critical thinking skills whatsoever.

And yes the U.K. is extremely overpopulated which isn’t just an issue in terms of the economy/housing but is also contributing to our climate issues because we’ve concreted over so much of the country already that flooding is becoming a real problem.

I don’t want to live in a country that is a maze of cheap housing and flood barriers. I don’t want our already dwindled food production to become almost non existent because we’ve taken the land to house people when there are vast swathes of the globe which have very very very few inhabitants, and I don’t want to endanger our wildlife by making their habitats hostile and unliveable.

People who dodge the immigration question and paint anyone with concerns as being a fan of Nazi Germany is so sly and disingenuous they instantly mark themselves out as an unintelligent person who just isn’t worth listening to. They’re literally not capable of having this discussion because all they’ve got is an illogical equivalence to a fascist regime nearly 100 years ago which the U.K. actually sacrificed many of its own to stop (including my family).

Every country in the world has immigration policies, and how many (even the ones with tighter control) have turned into a regime like the Nazi party?

It’s absolutely pathetic.

I'm discussing the rise of the far right in Europe and included a meeting held by the AfD which discussed remigration and the mass deportation of non ethnic Germans. It's not me who lacks critical thinking.

I thought we'd said goodbye to you.

How? neither country will allow asylum seekers back in... so your idea is a non starter.

What you want and what happens are two entirely different things.... so Greece and Italy should take ALL the migrants?

There is no requirement for an asylum seeker to stake their claim in the first safe country they come too.

Your argument is contrary, everything should be done to stop them drowning but they still should be sent back to France? how does that work when France will not accept them back??? what happens to them? and again, what will France/EU do?

Its all wishlists, dig down and the plan is totally unworkable.

Unless we kill people trying to get here and into Europe, the only way fwd is international agreements and huge financial support into the dev world.

I think maybe in terms of therapy it might be best if some posters look closer to home. Having been on here daily since the thread was posted screaming at any opposing view and really not pausing to consider any view or idea beyond their own very narrow opinion.

What happens in Germany has nothing to do with life here, stop conflating the two.

Fuckin hell.

Do you even know how international flights operate? Syria etc would allow a uk plane into their airspace, if they didn't want it there?

Other countries would stop us over flying their airspace.

How would send back the migrants to Vietnam without their agreement?

Its all hotair and soundbites, with zero thought.

Gun them down as they approach the English coast.... ? means justifies the end, as doubtless you'd say.