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Rise of the far right

321 replies

BardsAreAssholes · 10/06/2024 11:21

I am watching election news with increasing fear. The deranged Trump conspiracy theorists supporters in the US, overturning Roe Vs Wade, the far right gaining traction in Europe, some of the rhetoric here. Hell, the fact the Rwanda idea was not immediately dismissed as insane.

Then outside the West there’s the threat to women’s lives in Afghanistan, Iran…

How does this end? How does it reverse? Other than a WW2 scenario, how do we secure the safety and freedom of women and girls?

I want to be optimistic, but I’m struggling to see a route to progress. I’m hoping the much more knowledgeable souls of FWR will know.

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AjayJones · 14/06/2024 08:56

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thefireplace · 14/06/2024 08:53

Fuckin hell.

Do you even know how international flights operate? Syria etc would allow a uk plane into their airspace, if they didn't want it there?

Other countries would stop us over flying their airspace.

How would send back the migrants to Vietnam without their agreement?

Its all hotair and soundbites, with zero thought.

Gun them down as they approach the English coast.... ? means justifies the end, as doubtless you'd say.

One to ask Keir I expect.

Meetingofminds · 14/06/2024 08:58

thefireplace · 14/06/2024 08:41

How? neither country will allow asylum seekers back in... so your idea is a non starter.

What you want and what happens are two entirely different things.... so Greece and Italy should take ALL the migrants?

There is no requirement for an asylum seeker to stake their claim in the first safe country they come too.

Your argument is contrary, everything should be done to stop them drowning but they still should be sent back to France? how does that work when France will not accept them back??? what happens to them? and again, what will France/EU do?

Its all wishlists, dig down and the plan is totally unworkable.

Unless we kill people trying to get here and into Europe, the only way fwd is international agreements and huge financial support into the dev world.

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I disagree. We have paid billions already in international aid and it’s made no difference, nor will it once countries become inhabitable due to insufferable heat.

The immigration plan worked in Australia, half of the countries in Europe are now looking seriously at the U.K. plans. You are out of step.

We need to save people from drowning by making it pointless attempting to do it in the first place and locking up traffickers for decades once prosecuted. They are not asylum seekers but economic migrants - at the very least you need to be accurate about that!

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I was talking to cupcake whom was suggesting we would be first in line and need therapy.

Actually Germany’s politics are quite unique given their distinct history. The U.K. is a tolerant and diverse country that has a liberal independent and progressive culture. The EU are following the U.K. and not the other way around.

thefireplace · 14/06/2024 09:04

Meetingofminds · 14/06/2024 08:58

I disagree. We have paid billions already in international aid and it’s made no difference, nor will it once countries become inhabitable due to insufferable heat.

The immigration plan worked in Australia, half of the countries in Europe are now looking seriously at the U.K. plans. You are out of step.

We need to save people from drowning by making it pointless attempting to do it in the first place and locking up traffickers for decades once prosecuted. They are not asylum seekers but economic migrants - at the very least you need to be accurate about that!

Ah so now we have it.

People trying to escape insufferable heat should be allowed to die in their millions.

Like i said, machine gunning them in the Med or the Channel is just a few steps away.

EU is not looking at the UK plans at all..... which haven't worked and not a single migrant sent back.

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cupcaske123 · 14/06/2024 09:09

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The AfD have been talking for years and have been quite open about their remigration policy. They've called for remigration programmes on the largest possible scale.

thefireplace · 14/06/2024 09:09

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Syria might not but Russia does and they are v heavily embedded there, do you want another world war?

we have very few transport planes and even less jets to protect the crews.

Still no answer on what France /EU would do.

X channel migration is tiny compared to legal migration, so if there is a threat to our way of life, its not from illegal migration.

anyway, i'm out of here, some posters are clearly deranged.

Meetingofminds · 14/06/2024 09:11

thefireplace · 14/06/2024 09:04

Ah so now we have it.

People trying to escape insufferable heat should be allowed to die in their millions.

Like i said, machine gunning them in the Med or the Channel is just a few steps away.

EU is not looking at the UK plans at all..... which haven't worked and not a single migrant sent back.

Don’t be such a drama queen! No one is going to gun anyone down.

We can’t take entire continents of people (billions) where on earth will you put them all? How are you going to pay for them all? Are you just going to leave them on the streets?

What is your master plan to accommodate everyone you plan to welcome into our very small country?

Meetingofminds · 14/06/2024 09:12

thefireplace · 14/06/2024 09:09

Syria might not but Russia does and they are v heavily embedded there, do you want another world war?

we have very few transport planes and even less jets to protect the crews.

Still no answer on what France /EU would do.

X channel migration is tiny compared to legal migration, so if there is a threat to our way of life, its not from illegal migration.

anyway, i'm out of here, some posters are clearly deranged.

Given up already and lost the argument . you have no clue how you will support a borderless country with millions of arrivals do you. No plan and no clue.

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Meetingofminds · 14/06/2024 09:18

It would be bloody helpful if even ONE person from the left could suggest how we house, feed, clothe and pay for millions of arrivals. Any suggestion at all how we could possibly manage.

We have an acute housing crisis already and the NHS despite billions being pumped in is close to collapse. The infrastructure just can not cope as it is, so I would love to know how we are going up manage IF Labour win - as they have no immigration plan whatsoever!

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 14/06/2024 09:19

Meetingofminds · 14/06/2024 09:18

It would be bloody helpful if even ONE person from the left could suggest how we house, feed, clothe and pay for millions of arrivals. Any suggestion at all how we could possibly manage.

We have an acute housing crisis already and the NHS despite billions being pumped in is close to collapse. The infrastructure just can not cope as it is, so I would love to know how we are going up manage IF Labour win - as they have no immigration plan whatsoever!

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Ohhh hmmm something tax the rich ummmm YOU’RE CLEARLY A FAN OF NAZI GERMANY

cupcaske123 · 14/06/2024 09:21

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 14/06/2024 09:19

Ohhh hmmm something tax the rich ummmm YOU’RE CLEARLY A FAN OF NAZI GERMANY

I love the smell of hyperbole in the morning.

Meetingofminds · 14/06/2024 09:29

cupcaske123 · 14/06/2024 09:21

I love the smell of hyperbole in the morning.

Let’s hear YOUR plan cupcake.
Come on.
Explain to us how this can be resolved

ForBreezyJadeDog · 14/06/2024 09:30

Hello everibody,

I am wunderin’ where all the posts gone? They was here yestarday, but now is like they vanish! I am worry, maybe people are being censorred or somethink? This is not good for our comunity, we must be allowed to say what we think, yes?

Is anyone know what happen to the posts? Maybe admin can tell us? We need to make sure our voices not be silenced.

Pleese help, I don’t understand why this happening.

Dankeschön,

Hans

AlisonDonut · 14/06/2024 09:38

Meetingofminds · 14/06/2024 09:29

Let’s hear YOUR plan cupcake.
Come on.
Explain to us how this can be resolved

Particularly how the Left in the UK parties are dealing with this in their new manifestos.

Lets start with the Labour Party's.

cupcaske123 · 14/06/2024 09:49

thefireplace · 14/06/2024 06:37

Had to laugh at this^

You never saw Tommy Robinson arrested in London?

The murder of Jo Cox ?

BBC left wing? their main current affairs lead journalist is Nick Robinson, who has been a leading tory activist previously.

Reform hide behind immigration as a means to gain power and once in, would do the things you purport not to want..... though i suspect you do want them.

Farage supports the death penalty and didn't someone at the top of Reform say we should have had a peace agreement with Hitler?
they want to tow migrant boats back to France, against all international agreements... how do you think the French will react?

Yes. Ian Gribbon said, 'Britain would be in a far better state today had we taken Hitler up on his offer of neutrality.' Apparently a spokesman for Reform said this was probably true.

Meetingofminds · 14/06/2024 09:50

cupcaske123 · 14/06/2024 09:49

Yes. Ian Gribbon said, 'Britain would be in a far better state today had we taken Hitler up on his offer of neutrality.' Apparently a spokesman for Reform said this was probably true.

I’m still waiting your magical solution to immigration so you can share it with the rest of us. Given nothing has worked so far.

AlisonDonut · 14/06/2024 10:22
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TooBigForMyBoots · 14/06/2024 12:25

Eat them. That'll learn them eh.Wink

cupcaske123 · 14/06/2024 12:45

TooBigForMyBoots · 14/06/2024 12:25

Eat them. That'll learn them eh.Wink

They'll be full up on crayons.

TooBigForMyBoots · 14/06/2024 13:15

Meetingofminds · 14/06/2024 09:50

I’m still waiting your magical solution to immigration so you can share it with the rest of us. Given nothing has worked so far.

It's not that nothing has worked so far. Back in the day we used to process applications. Some people got to stay, others were removed.

Then we got this Tory government who were too lazy/busy doing other things (partying, wrecking our economy, sending dick pics, increasing their personal finances, fighting like rats in a sack etc) to actually do the work of running the country properly.🤷‍♀️

Meetingofminds · 14/06/2024 13:51

TooBigForMyBoots · 14/06/2024 12:25

Eat them. That'll learn them eh.Wink

Juvenile non response