Rise of the far right

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I am watching election news with increasing fear. The deranged Trump conspiracy theorists supporters in the US, overturning Roe Vs Wade, the far right gaining traction in Europe, some of the rhetoric here. Hell, the fact the Rwanda idea was not immediately dismissed as insane.

Then outside the West there’s the threat to women’s lives in Afghanistan, Iran…

How does this end? How does it reverse? Other than a WW2 scenario, how do we secure the safety and freedom of women and girls?

I want to be optimistic, but I’m struggling to see a route to progress. I’m hoping the much more knowledgeable souls of FWR will know.

People aren't drawn to the politics of populism but the personality behind it.

Trump, Johnson and Farage are all part of the free market big business, rich get richer crusade of Thatcher and Reagan which has permeated ever since.

The media will also big these people up because billionaires own the press and these hard right people protect their interests. Someone like Corbyn sets out to destroy it so will be destroyed

A political analyst on R5 last week mentioned the rise of trans activism 3 times when discussing the move away from the left in Europe.
Nicky Campbell ignored him on every occasion.

People are going more to the right socially, as they're tired of the effects of liberalism.

But they're also more left economically, whereas all the hard right tend to be just Thatcher on steroids like Farage.

People are as fed up with neoliberalism economically as with the social effects

I don't really know what people mean when they say they're left economically. I am in that I believe there should be a much narrower gap between the top and the bottom (ie CEOs paid less and cleansers paid more). But I believe that people should work when they can and benefits should be time limited unless that person has disabilities preventing them working. So am I left or right?

People are very much drawn to the politics of populism. It's what gave rise to people like Trump and Farage. All Farage does is bang on about the 'other' and speak for the ordinary folk.

You would be extreme right on here!

Centre left. I'm the same.

Seconded!

i agree with the earlier posts about more women in government (in fact just more diversity in govt in general)
There's a great book called "Invisible Women" that sets out very clearly the benefits of having female experience in government, from workers rights to town planning
Its very telling that the rolling back of women's health care rights in the US is because it wasnt a "priority" to ratify these properly, and its also very telling that abortion law reform in the UK hasnt been a priority, hence the increased prosecution of women using this law recently.

It may have been the research done in Sweden: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8330751/

The three academics who wrote the paper were prosecuted for publishing the paper, even though it had never been their intention to discover the link.

You clearly haven’t met Owen Jones

Well if not agreeing with what the left are doing to women and children is far right then I'll put on a badge and wear it with pride. A better fit than the MAP one people are now able to wear openly.

Being opposed to unlimited immigration makes me far right too I expect.

But anyone who can do arithmetic should be.

If John has 3 oranges he, Sally, and Bill can have one each.

If a man walks into their house someone will have to go without.

Is he a regime now?

The idea of the uk - a country with legalised same sex marriage, universal healthcare, good maternity rights, strong protected characteristic and hate crime legislation, excellent press freedom and a generous welfare state - is ‘right wing’ is almost laughable.

What these people mean is until everything and everyone in the country is left wing, then the country is de facto right wing. Which is not only laughable but totalitarian.

You haven't read the OP. The thread is about the rise of the far right in Europe.

It’s in response to the many messages on this thread hand wringing over how right wing the UK has allegedly become

I haven't seen any. I've seen a few talking about Reform but none saying the UK is far right.

Neither- labels left or right are descriptors that offer a uselessly blunt tool for defining someone’s complex economic or social view points. Left/right cannot possibly encompass a full belief system. All it does it invoke a form of tribalism and in group bias.

Right and left, as descriptors- need to be consigned to the dustbin.

What would you choose to describe them with instead so that people can understand politics and talk about them?

i think we should look at the specific policy or idea without trying to fit people in to one of two narrow categories.
We are told about the supposed 62 genders but only 2 political views of left/right. Every topic is pigeon holed into left or right. It doesn’t work, I think it’s nonsense.
I have a mix of thought, from what could be considered right and left wing views. I am not left or right, or centre.. I’m just a human being who can hold more than one belief at a time.

Katie Hopkins, Allison Pearson, Suella Braverman, Rachel Riley, Isabel Oakeshott – any more?