Rise of the far right

[BardsAreAssholes]

I am watching election news with increasing fear. The deranged Trump conspiracy theorists supporters in the US, overturning Roe Vs Wade, the far right gaining traction in Europe, some of the rhetoric here. Hell, the fact the Rwanda idea was not immediately dismissed as insane.

Then outside the West there’s the threat to women’s lives in Afghanistan, Iran…

How does this end? How does it reverse? Other than a WW2 scenario, how do we secure the safety and freedom of women and girls?

I want to be optimistic, but I’m struggling to see a route to progress. I’m hoping the much more knowledgeable souls of FWR will know.

Nope not wrong at all. Lessons need to be learned from Brexit, the Scottish Referendum and also the recent events in mainland Europe. Giving votes to people who are not, at the very least university educated, is like handing a loaded gun to a toddler.

Apparently, I am a far right bigot because I want to protect women from having their rights removed and small children from perverts.

I campaign for that too. No one has ever called me a far right bigot. Terf, yes. Right wing, no.

Like all sensible people, I get my information from a variety of sources. You need to stop pretending your beliefs are facts.

No, we should chose politicians by their character, beliefs and relevant experience with sex being a secondary consideration. Your suggestion more women politicians and also in positions of power per se furthers the course of women’s rights and by their sex hold the moral high ground have been confounded by the likes of Sturgeon, Vennells and Mone

Er, pardon me?

I'm assuming the pp is being tongue in cheek! If not, well...

Right, I think I'm on the opposite side of politics to you, whatever that is...

Where did I say that women hold the moral high ground?

I said that in order to protect and endorse the rights of women and girls (worldwide) we need more women in power helping to shape society. I didn't say that we should vote in people because of their sex, nor did I suggest that women were in some way better than men. It's wrong to hold women up to a higher standard than men and I'm not naive enough to suggest that women can't make mistakes or have flawed thinking.

I don't think you can include the threat to women in Afghanistan and Iran as evidence of the rise of 'the far right' OP. The Taliban and erosion of women's rights in those places have been bad for at long as I can remember (late 1970s) l and probably long before.

Yes me too. In fact it was reading all about how all Terfs are far right again and again that made me connect with my inner Tory despite never actually having voted Conservative 😂

I think it would be helpful to bash out what it is exactly that the far right believe, or what's currently described as the far right.
For example, is opposing current limits on immigration right-wing, deporting illegals far right?
That makes sense to me, but would appreciate more clarity.

I think far right means different things to different people and has largely lost its meaning.
Some time ago another poster on MN had a go at me because I wouldn't accept the UK Conservatives we're basically Nazis FFS 🙄

It's very confusing and it allows hype and fear porn.

Imagine Starmer trying to have serious conversations with Europe and America. We will be the absolute laughing stock of the world.

I dread to think the state we are going to be in the next 5 or 10 years.

The world is going to the right, and there's very good reason for that. Our conservative government have been poisoned by Cameron who masqueraded as a conservative but chop him in half and he would bleed Labour.

^ this a 100%

Deporting illegal traffickers should be the policy of every party, but of course Labour have no stomach to address any serious debate about securing borders.
Securing borders is a central and right wing policy, certainly not far right. Far right would go further and extreme right would probably suspend all Immigration until the housing crisis was resolved. It’s a spectrum. Same as the left.

Thousands of years in fact.

Cameron is a Blairite, he's Labour all the way through.

Yes I believe the facts are conservative (with a small c not the idiots we have in power now). The left try to conflate this with being far right to confuse people - alot of people fall for it unfortunately.

They call anything slightly to the left of the messiah Corbyn far right.

The ‘rise of the far right’ has been a thing for at least 20 years, and all through the 70s/80s/90s. The 2000s, 2010s and 2020s have seen the prominence of UKIP, the BNP (some years ago), Tommy Robinson, EDL… I mean I could go on.

The key thing is they never come to anything.

I don’t think you can compare BNP to UKip. They are wildly different. One is a hate group and the other a political party. Stop just clubbing things together in a brainless fashion, it’s not helpful to ignore the nuance.

And I would remind you that Farage pretty much single handedly took us out of Europe! It’s not ‘nothing’ ……

Your knowledge continues to astound. The BNP have stood for election many times; they're a political party.

The Taliban in Afghanistan and the regime in Iran are far right regimes.