Rise of the far right

[BardsAreAssholes]

I am watching election news with increasing fear. The deranged Trump conspiracy theorists supporters in the US, overturning Roe Vs Wade, the far right gaining traction in Europe, some of the rhetoric here. Hell, the fact the Rwanda idea was not immediately dismissed as insane.

Then outside the West there’s the threat to women’s lives in Afghanistan, Iran…

How does this end? How does it reverse? Other than a WW2 scenario, how do we secure the safety and freedom of women and girls?

I want to be optimistic, but I’m struggling to see a route to progress. I’m hoping the much more knowledgeable souls of FWR will know.

I’m usually Tory but they need a spanking so who? Liberals are student politicians. Farage is a nut job. Starmer doesn’t know what a woman is. When there are no good choices it’s guilt free to go for one of them.
I’d love a Terf who will restrict immigration to largely those that will be net input into the economy and want to assimilate, will reform
planning and is economically competent and will keep supporting Ukraine. Surely that’s not too much to ask for? But given nobody will
do that it’s a free hit. For me it won’t be Farage but when the mainstream are failing I understand those that spin the wheel. It’s not dissimilar to the motivations for Brexit.

In the UK, all these things happened under a right wing Conservative Government.

& even Sunaks ban on hormone blockers isn't really a ban, as medical trials of these drugs will still be allowed on children.... so a "not ban"

As much as you might wish to blame the Left, its the Right wing who have been in power for the last 14 years in the UK and what a mess they have made of it.

Ummm the conservatives deserve some credit at least for identifying the trans movement as activism, and is now moving towards legislation to protect women and girls.

Labour are still neck deep in the trans movement and couldn’t care less about women. I can’t believe you aren’t aware of how misogynistic Starmer is even towards his own female MPs.

Don't be so ridiculous asking her to name them.

Just look at the women turning up at Tommy Robinson's marches. Do you really believe the women/men attending the marches are anything but racist? Of course they are.

Identifying something and actually doing something about it, is not the same thing.

It's like democrats in the US and abortions rights. For decades they dangled that carrot/stick above the heads of their female voters. But in the end they never made it a priority and just let those rights slip away.

Unfortunately some of the most vocal advocates of TWAW are prominent female politicians: Nicola Sturgeon, Teresa May, Anneliese Dodds, Lisa Nandy, Jess Philips, Caroline Noakes, Kate Osbourne, Gillian Keegan.

i don’t think for some being female makes you immune to an idiotic ideology

If you're going to categorise people and slap labels on them, ie 'far-right' or really anything for that matter, you name them. If you can't name them, don't label them.

All talk i'm afraid, Badenoch may pretend she has been working on Eq Act for 2 years but the fact is, 2 years ago, she defended both the act and the GRA.
Now blames a GE, that her Govt called for inaction....

They have reduced the prison estate so men get sent to female prisons, cut nhs wards so womens cannot get a bed in a single sex corridor, much less a ward, slashed council funding so that majority of women escaping DV cannot get support.

We are where we are in the UK because of the Tories, there is no parallel universe where we can see what Labour might have done.

BUT back to the OP, the rise in the right is down to immigration - look at the messaging from Sunak, Trump, Le Pen, Braverman and Farage?

We in the UK have seen what right Govts do & are in the process of rejecting it.

Being a woman doesn't make you immune, no. Women however are more likely to consider issues that affect women and girls and offer a valuable and different perspective to men. I was talking globally, where 25 per cent of politicians are women, some countries have no female politicians. We need women in power to protect women's rights.

Apparently standing up for women and girls and protecting their safety, dignity and privacy is far right. I welcome the rise of the right if that's the case!

In your opinion are those attending these rallies far right? Lets have your opinion shall we

Heil!

What process? No one has even voted yet 😂 and Labour are going to ruin us so and erase women altogether - I’m not sure that is going to be an improvement - it’s a downgrade for sure!

This is what I find weird. It's mentioned a lot in the media, yet nobody has seen the 'far-right'. What we're seeing is very much far-left;

1. TRAs policing language and forcing people to use the correct pronouns, and calling a woman a 'chest-feeding bleeder with a bonus hole/front hole'.

2. Drag Time Story Hour in schools. If they read innocent stories to children, surely they can read them to the elderly in carehomes, no?

3. Offence architects/tweet architects and digging up anything said years ago in a different time that could be considered offensive today.

4. Debanking people/freezing money and assets for having the wrong views.

5. Getting people sacked for having the wrong views.

6. Effectively destroying peoples' lives and making people go away, ie Batley school teacher.

7. Pro-Palestine marches every weekend in London and intimidating Jews.

I could go on.

I do personally feel people have lost their minds and the country has lost its way. That's not to say the 'far-right' won't exist, I only put it in quotes because it is as yet undefined. it will eventually come into existence the longer the left continue to poke the bear, so to speak. And I think that is where things will get ugly, as that pendulum comes swinging back like a wrecking ball. Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse.

It's mentioned a lot in the media, yet nobody has seen the 'far-right'

What on earth do you mean? Tommy Robinson recently marched alongside Lawrence Fox, through London. He's a former political advisor for UKIP.

The far right is becoming mainstream in Europe, that's the point of this post. In the UK alone we have the EDL, Britain First, National Action, English Nationalist Party, British Democratic Party, National Front, BNP, The British Hand and Hearts of Oak.

The far right isn't 'undefined' it's been in existence for a long time.

Yes, and how odd that not only do the Left not rail against this, but want more of it.

So you see the issue here?

The Left are supposed to be opposite to the Right, not endorse their policies and level up on them.

What do you mean by elimination of women’s rights?

i mean choking out the middle as in - most people dont believe in no immigration or abortion o the ninth month and transing kids.

biden’s history also include allegations of rape and sexual assault. And bill clinton’s as well. Dont get me started on corruption in the dem party its ridiculous. Nancy Pelosi, earninng a government worker 200k salary is somehow worth 200 mil. Gimme a break

I totally agree. It’s a gas lighting exercise. The ‘far right’ is nowhere near as scary as the left - despite their efforts at covering it up under ‘be kind’ there is nothing kind about it, it’s very sinister.

I mean that the far right do not believe women are equal to men and if they gained power would eliminate women's rights.

I wasn't sure what you meant. I thought you may be talking about the middle classes. You mean moderates. You're right, we seem to be losing touch with nuance. That's populism however.

I'm not going to get into a race to the bottom regarding sexual assault and rape allegations. Clinton was accused of rape and sexual assault, Biden has been accused of sexual assault and I'm sure there are many more powerful men in politics who have got away with sexual assault. Trump has been found guilty of sexual assault and defamation and has been accused by two dozen women of rape and sexual assault. That, combined with his other characteristics make him an unpleasant and divisive figure.

Bollocks. That is one of the far right's oft repeated, patriarchal lies: we will protect women.🙄

Our women.

I think it goes back to Obama as he made a coalition of race, gender orientation and metropolitan elite voting block.
He completely dumped the white working classes and they were somewhat demonised (basket of deplorables- Hilary Clinton etc).
This led to the rise of Trump as social trust was lost with it's origional core voters.

British politics copies and so we have the same issues without the religious right.
I think we have got to watch Labour very carefully because what they say now and what they do may be miles apart. They want to write a constitution for Britain which will enshrine into law core values, this would mean that if trans is written into it it will be there forever. A written constitution for example has meant that there is no gun control as it was in the constitution.

As I said earlier, Labour are an outlier in Europe in expecting a decisive win in the GE.

As an article on the BBC (surprisingly), published before the European Parliament elections, points out, only four member states among 27 currently have centre left or left wing parties in government.

There is also an interesting quote from Pawel Zerka, senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations about the left championing issues like gender, LGBT rights or green policies: popular with urban young voters, less so with working-class families.

"In many European countries the centre left is now seen as the rich progressive elite of the cities".

Labour could find themselves a single term government if the Tories get some credible shadow ministers. Or if the UK follows the European trend and starts voting increasingly for parties further to the right.

The left really needs to sort its shit out.

I think with the terrifying rise of the far right across Europe and within England as a whole, we need to have a serious conversation about what it means for people to be able to participate in the democratic process.

I grew up in the seventies when the far right were around, skinheads shouting immigrants out. I don't think those people are around anymore and the term is just used by the media/politicians (very much the same sorts of people) to attempt to gaslight the public that normal beliefs that are believed by the vast majority are extreme. Saying men are women, more or less open borders, demonising groups of people, violent demonstrations are all extreme- all done by the left (including many Tories who are really lib dems) - they are the extremists. Do not be gaslighted!