Rise of the far right

[BardsAreAssholes]

I am watching election news with increasing fear. The deranged Trump conspiracy theorists supporters in the US, overturning Roe Vs Wade, the far right gaining traction in Europe, some of the rhetoric here. Hell, the fact the Rwanda idea was not immediately dismissed as insane.

Then outside the West there’s the threat to women’s lives in Afghanistan, Iran…

How does this end? How does it reverse? Other than a WW2 scenario, how do we secure the safety and freedom of women and girls?

I want to be optimistic, but I’m struggling to see a route to progress. I’m hoping the much more knowledgeable souls of FWR will know.

See @SeverinaVichenza s post for an example of this.

European left and right are very different to our versions - so Le Pen wants to stay in the EU, wants a lower retirement age (62 and then dropping to 60) & better welfare.

Contrast to Labour, no to even joining a CU or SM, keep pension age at 67/68, benefit cuts... the Tories just want to raise the pension age and cut benefits even more.

The Labour party here would be right of centre in most of europe.

That's interesting. So the far right are no longer about racial supremecy, censorship, dictatorship, male supremacism, gender essentialism, isolationism, chauvinism etc etc They're not extremists. They're what? Moderates?

I am not sure they do stand for those things anymore, I think it’s evolving and changing, and certainly not the far right parties we see rising up in Europe. It seems more connected with independence, nation state, traditional culture protection and anti globalism.

It's not gaslighting, it's real. See Tommy Robinson, Lozza Fox, the protests outside asylum hotels, increased racism, antisemitism etc.

Just because you don't see something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I'm not sure you understand what the far right is. Sounds like you're describing right wing populism.

Which are constantly conflated.

Right wing populism doesn't tend to lead to ethnic cleansing.

As I said earlier, Labour are an outlier in Europe in expecting a decisive win in the GE.

And the UK is an outlier in Europe for FPTP which is more likely to lead to a decisive result.

The extreme right is considered to be as you describe racist. As are the extreme left. You are also speaking about them as a global mass - they are not, they mean different things in different countries. The far right now run entire countries in Europe, and many more are coming, they are not remotely ‘extreme’.

Left wing populism will erase the entire female race as we know it, in this country, and you are giving them a free pass to do that are you?

Nope that's the far left.

Tommy Robinson blah blah blah. His gathering a few weeks ago was about two tier policing, don't think the police made any arrests (unlike the far left "anti Israel" demos) so doubt there was any racism displayed. Protests against asylum hotels mainly in Ireland, what increased racism?, anti semtism increase wholly by leftists/Islamic extremists. Next!

Just because you pretend something isn't happening, don't try to gaslight the rest of us.

It's not gaslighting you just need to do a bit of research and stop getting all your info from the BBC/Guardian (I can guarantee it's at least one of them).

What does Tommy Robinson stand for?

we need to have a serious conversation about what it means for people to be able to participate in the democratic process.

What do you mean by this exactly @SeverinaVichenza?

Exactly. The Democrats forgot their working class base and started catering to the globalist elites. Same with the establishment Republicans.The working classes, feeling forgotten, turned to Trump. Trump is, in the eyes of his voters, a great, big, fat middle finger (two fingers in the UK) from the working class struggling to feed their families, buy a home, etc. to the pampered out-of-touch elites who run the US. Their arrogance, ridiculous spending (The US is now borrowing a TRILLION dollars every hundred days, which will eventually collapse us, taking the world economy with us.) endless foreign wars, mass importation of new voters because the current ones are revolting, etc. is why Trump is so popular. Not to mention that it's obvious that Biden isn't running the country, and they want and DESERVE to know who really is.

People ignore Trump's negatives because they are desperate for change, and the politicians of both parties have only themselves to blame.

No arrests for racism, you say?

https://x.com/H00TCHY/status/1797062317189812734

I'm not saying some sections of the far left are much better, but to doubt there would be racism on display at a Tommy gathering is quite something. He was literally a member of the BNP!

So, in your opinion the far right are the equivalent of the Tories or Reform? They don't have extreme views, they're just tough on immigration and paternalistic. There is no central ideology, they are all differently 'far right ' and you're looking forward to Europe being led by them.

We would like to think this but some of the most morally bankrupt people in recent years have been women think Paula Vennells and Michelle Mone and all the aforementioned women politicians who have supported TWAW to the detriment of other women.

The labels don't work any more and if you accept them as real you will be misled by the news. Apparently I am a far right bigot because I want to protect women from having their rights removed and small children from perverts.

Yes, some of the people who agree with me about protecting kids also hold other opinions I don't like. That's not something that's under my control.

I'm also strongly pro-choice so what does that make me.

I think capitalism works better than communism, but I'm in favour of public ownership of vital services. I think we should take genuine asylum seekers and treat them with respect and dignity but throw the lying scroungers out on their ear.

It occurs to me that those who fit neatly into left and right wing must get up in the morning and check the party line so they will know what their opinions must be for today.

Women like men have different opinions and make mistakes. That's what human beings do. Are you suggesting that all countries should only be run by men?

What do you mean by this?
It sounds like you're calling for the disenfranchisement of those who don't vote for your favoured party.
I must have picked you up wrong.

While I agree that tory cuts have had a devastating effect on public services, this is bonkers:

They have reduced the prison estate so men get sent to female prisons

No, this is not why there are men in women's prisons!