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Rise of the far right

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BardsAreAssholes · 10/06/2024 11:21

I am watching election news with increasing fear. The deranged Trump conspiracy theorists supporters in the US, overturning Roe Vs Wade, the far right gaining traction in Europe, some of the rhetoric here. Hell, the fact the Rwanda idea was not immediately dismissed as insane.

Then outside the West there’s the threat to women’s lives in Afghanistan, Iran…

How does this end? How does it reverse? Other than a WW2 scenario, how do we secure the safety and freedom of women and girls?

I want to be optimistic, but I’m struggling to see a route to progress. I’m hoping the much more knowledgeable souls of FWR will know.

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AlisonDonut · 11/06/2024 19:48

cupcaske123 · 11/06/2024 17:52

Your knowledge continues to astound. The BNP have stood for election many times; they're a political party.

Are you trying to suggest the P in BNP stands for Party?

cupcaske123 · 11/06/2024 19:48

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/06/2024 19:34

The Taliban in Afghanistan and the regime in Iran are far right regimes.

The Taliban have received a lot of support from the far right. Capitol Hill invaders posted pictures of themselves alongside Taliban fighters. They admire their anti liberal, anti LGBTQ and anti women stance.

Chersfrozenface · 11/06/2024 19:52

The Taliban aren't anti-LGBTQ.

They are anti gay and Lesbian and enthusiastically pro-trans. Transing away the gay is one of their archetypical policies.

cupcaske123 · 11/06/2024 19:56

Chersfrozenface · 11/06/2024 19:52

The Taliban aren't anti-LGBTQ.

They are anti gay and Lesbian and enthusiastically pro-trans. Transing away the gay is one of their archetypical policies.

Of course it is. It's part of Shariah law for men to dress up as women.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 11/06/2024 19:59

AlisonDonut · 11/06/2024 19:48

Are you trying to suggest the P in BNP stands for Party?

Doesn't it? I always thought BNP stood for British National Party😳

cupcaske123 · 11/06/2024 20:02

AlisonDonut · 11/06/2024 19:48

Are you trying to suggest the P in BNP stands for Party?

Yes, BNP stands for the British National Party.

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/06/2024 21:11

Chersfrozenface · 11/06/2024 19:52

The Taliban aren't anti-LGBTQ.

They are anti gay and Lesbian and enthusiastically pro-trans. Transing away the gay is one of their archetypical policies.

No it isn't. The Taliban do not recognise trans as being anything other than gay. They aren't transing anyone.

AlisonDonut · 11/06/2024 21:51

BloodyHellKenAgain · 11/06/2024 19:59

Doesn't it? I always thought BNP stood for British National Party😳

Yes it was sarcasm.

AlisonDonut · 11/06/2024 22:06

Can you imagine the Taliban opening gender clinics. Good lord.

cupcaske123 · 11/06/2024 22:15

AlisonDonut · 11/06/2024 22:06

Can you imagine the Taliban opening gender clinics. Good lord.

I can imagine them opening gender clinics then throwing people off them.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 11/06/2024 23:02

Reform and Farage definitely are far right, and it's pretty much accepted, apart from by the right wingers and their members themselves, of course.

AlisonDonut · 11/06/2024 23:06

cupcaske123 · 11/06/2024 22:15

I can imagine them opening gender clinics then throwing people off them.

What happened to people's sanity?

Is this an actual mind virus or what?

IrnBruLolly · 11/06/2024 23:29

AlisonDonut · 10/06/2024 11:42

When the Left want to mutilate and sterilise teenagers, and remove their genitals and breasts then I'm really sorry but WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN?

Not shouting at you, shouting at the ridiculousness of the situation.

It is beyond me why the Left cannot see this.

Yup.

IrnBruLolly · 11/06/2024 23:30

I feel like the rise in support of figures like Andrew Tate is partly a reaction to the left. Fighting fire with fire when we didn't really need to set things alight.

IrnBruLolly · 11/06/2024 23:33

We need more female lawmakers

Statistically, female judges give harsher sentences to women than male judges do (well, certainly in the US) so this may not look like what many people assume.

IrnBruLolly · 11/06/2024 23:50

thefireplace · 11/06/2024 08:53

In the UK, all these things happened under a right wing Conservative Government.

& even Sunaks ban on hormone blockers isn't really a ban, as medical trials of these drugs will still be allowed on children.... so a "not ban"

As much as you might wish to blame the Left, its the Right wing who have been in power for the last 14 years in the UK and what a mess they have made of it.

But the woke are always lefties.

And it's not Boris/Rishi that are pushing gender ideology. 🤣 It's nothing to do with political parties.

IrnBruLolly · 11/06/2024 23:52

Well, aside from Labour siding with the trans loons. But my point is that TRAs would do their thing under any government.

thefireplace · 12/06/2024 06:22

IrnBruLolly · 11/06/2024 23:50

But the woke are always lefties.

And it's not Boris/Rishi that are pushing gender ideology. 🤣 It's nothing to do with political parties.

Really? so Boris reducing GRC fees from £140 to £5 and telling the NHS to open up more Gender clinics, nor making any changes at all to the GRA or Eq act's..... isn't pushing Gender ideology?

Andrew Tate has come to prominence during 14 years of the Tories & where did he chose to base himself? in a centre right governed country, Romania, where female rights rarely matter.

Yes lefties probably are more "woke" they want better NHS, schooling, less shit in Rivers, care more about the suffering of others and want to improve the environment.
You take the piss out of Woke, yet moan about the rise of Tate, its pity he isn't a little more woke hey!

The Right on the other hand want none of these things, its all about the money, hence Sunak offers nothing more than Tax cuts.

TheColourOutOfSpace · 12/06/2024 07:05

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/its-a-mistake-to-call-reform-uk-far-right/

This was an interesting read. I wonder if anyone has written something similar from a left wing perspective.

"calling, for instance, for the prevailing political system to be overturned, let alone overthrown"

Plenty of lefties I've known over the years say that the House of Lords should be abolished and there are political parties that support this position. 🤔

"Their critique of those regimes is sometimes explicit, even going so far as to countenance or at least tolerate violence"

We've seen A LOT of violence, aggression and disruption by all kinds of left wing groups in recent years, with all kinds of justification for hurting people and businesses. And left wing parties turn a blind eye or don't openly condemn these kinds of behaviours, with some members actively encouraging or approving of these behaviours.

The populist radical right,....... may (often with justification) be associated with nationalism and nativism that sometimes shades into outright xenophobia, believing that the needs and the interests of citizens should take priority over non-citizens – especially but not exclusively when it comes to, say, welfare or housing.

Hang on, believing the needs and interests of citizens should take priority over non-citizens especially in things like welfare or housing is classed as nationalism ... nativism ... and even outright xenophobia ??? Have I got that right? 😂😂😂

The most important purpose of ANY nation is to prioritise its citizens over non-citizens. In which country anywhere in the world would they be expected to pander to outsiders over their own people?!? Honestly, some of you white people are utterly deranged. So much self-loathing. Try this rhetoric in any country run by brown or black people and they will (rightly) tell you to go fuck yourselves. Have some self-respect!

Richard Tice makes a speech to the crowds at the Brexit Celebration event in Parliament Square, Westminster, London. January 2020.

It’s a mistake to call Reform UK “far-right”

The use of the term “far-right” to describe political parties such as Reform UK is unhelpful. The term causes too visceral a reaction and at the same time is too broad to be meaningful. Tim Bale ar…

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/its-a-mistake-to-call-reform-uk-far-right

Gondoliere · 12/06/2024 09:36

Northernnature · 11/06/2024 13:32

I grew up in the seventies when the far right were around, skinheads shouting immigrants out. I don't think those people are around anymore and the term is just used by the media/politicians (very much the same sorts of people) to attempt to gaslight the public that normal beliefs that are believed by the vast majority are extreme. Saying men are women, more or less open borders, demonising groups of people, violent demonstrations are all extreme- all done by the left (including many Tories who are really lib dems) - they are the extremists. Do not be gaslighted!

This

cupcaske123 · 12/06/2024 09:39

IrnBruLolly · 11/06/2024 23:33

We need more female lawmakers

Statistically, female judges give harsher sentences to women than male judges do (well, certainly in the US) so this may not look like what many people assume.

It's well documented that there's gender bias in courts worldwide. Women are often judged more harshly than men, especially in cases where they don't conform to gender stereotypes.

oldwhyno · 12/06/2024 09:51

Politics has a certain inherent balance to it. The rise of the left will always be met with the rise of the right, and vice-versa. That's why it's so incredibly important for both sides to concentrate their effort on moving themselves as close to the centre ground as they can manage.

cupcaske123 · 12/06/2024 09:53

AlisonDonut · 11/06/2024 23:06

What happened to people's sanity?

Is this an actual mind virus or what?

What ISIS have been doing to the LGBTQ community is dangling them by their feet from high buildings then dropping them so they land on their heads when they fall. Then people stone them as they land on the ground. I believe the Taliban sentence them to being crushed by walls.

I have no idea what's wrong with these people but what I do know is that the Taliban are admired by the far right who see them as freedom fighters who overthrew an imperial power. There is even talk among them of 'white sharia' as they like how the Taliban treat women. There's also 'white jihad'.

cupcaske123 · 12/06/2024 10:05

IrnBruLolly · 11/06/2024 23:30

I feel like the rise in support of figures like Andrew Tate is partly a reaction to the left. Fighting fire with fire when we didn't really need to set things alight.

Andrew Tate isn't in reaction to the left, he's in reaction to women being treated as human beings with rights over their bodies and sexuality.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/06/2024 10:08

Iran is an Islamist country where being gay is punishable by death and gay men are "encouraged" to have "gender reassignment" surgery.

I think that's what pp are referring to.

qz.com/889548/everyone-treated-me-like-a-saint-in-iran-theres-only-one-way-to-survive-as-a-transgender-person

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