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Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?

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Cambridgebunz · 07/11/2023 09:26

Liz Fraser boldly claims across all mediums that she aims to help all women live their best lives. However, there are suggestions, allegations, and evidence to the contrary.

What are your thoughts on the validity of her recent postings in the realm of domestic violence, parenting, mental health, neurodiversity, travel, running, holistic wellbeing and more, as a self-promoted "influencer"?

Keep your thoughts wholesome, relatable and current to her most recent postings. Do not mention ex-partners or her children by name. This discussion is to better understand the objective of and validity behind her “work” and words.

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Raffington55 · 14/11/2023 14:23

But don't forget she's probably desperate to get at Mike - a sure sign she's still not over it. Any normal person would just know that Scout would eventually refer to "Mummy's boyfriend" in front of him. But no - she's too impatient. Not that he will give a toss. His recent trip to NY with his gf will have fanned the flames too.

Physicsrevision · 14/11/2023 14:29

It looks like Mike is celebrating FOUR years of sobriety today and this is a tremendous accomplishment! 👏🏻

There's no denying that he hit rock bottom in his appalling treatment of two women, but he's come a long way since then. He's staying committed to the Coming Clean goal- living an honest, productive and equitable life.

As someone who’s lived in the shadows of abuse for nearly two decades, I celebrate this achievement. It's ultimately the outcome many women hope for – the father of their children "coming clean" so they can emotionally, mentally and physically be present to love and nurture their children.

For very few, addiction is a deliberate lifestyle choice. At its core lies a wounded soul. It takes incredibly hard work to heal to the point where one day of sobriety becomes two and then 1,400.

As a feminist and a victim of domestic abuse, I believe in celebrating men's successes in turning their life around. Men are not only our sons' fathers but our children’s role models.

Hardyards · 14/11/2023 14:30

Maybe he is Ben Shepherd 😱

Joonio · 14/11/2023 14:35

She obviously has a crush on Ben.

Umbrellaisback · 14/11/2023 14:39

All the solo birthday stuff seems to have vanished but it was only three weeks or so ago

Verity44 · 14/11/2023 14:50

@Umbrellaisback

"The abuse will always continue. The fear and damage will go".

I don't know what this means. Is she suggesting that she is still being abused by someone? Is it another dig at Mike? But we all know that can't be true as he is in a new relationship and completely ignores Liz. She needs to be careful as people will start attributing the "continuing abuse" to her new relationship. I wonder if he will tell her to cut it out and stop posting vitriolic stuff about her past relationship if she is so content in her new one. Not very flattering to him if she's still fixated on her last relationship and can't let her bitterness go. I'd love to know if he reads her SM.

And. Well done to Mike. What an amazing achievement 👏

Roomonthedustpan · 14/11/2023 16:45

@Verity44 @Umbrellaisback nuance is everything, isn’t it. I read this as she’s accepting that she and women will continue to be abused, but, hey, suck it up, we can get over it. I assume she means:

There is hope for all women and all victims of severe domestic abuse and violence to achieve a safe, happy and joyful life once more. While the memories of abuse may persist, the fear and harm it caused can be overcome or healed, saying that recovery and a better life are possible even after experiencing such traumatic situations.

I’m not sure all will agree it’s as easy as this. @Physicsrevision and @ObservingToo, what do you think?

Heatherfell · 14/11/2023 17:08

Liz firmly believes that Fred is a good man and poses no threat to her or Scout. She had similar thoughts about Mike and "the unmentionable one" and, well, the past 10 years have been an abusive cycle for her according to her writing.
The fact that both of them were married should have raised red flags. Additionally, both heavy drinkers and it's a well-known fact that even the nicest individuals can become vile when alcohol is involved.
When you add ADHD into the mix, relationships inherently become more intricate. Many people with ADHD can have adverse reactions to rejection, often experiencing Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria (RSD) as a common comorbidity.
Rejection, can be the reaction to what might seem inconsequential to someone without ADHD, such as not replying immediately to a text or a change in plans. These can be deeply impactful for people with ADHD who often want everything immediately, including a relationship progressing faster than what's typical for neurotypical individuals.
With personal experience, I know that it takes a special person to have the patience to support the emotional hyperactivity of a neurodiverse person. If he’s following her on SM then he will be eye open to this, provided this is her diagnosis.
I genuinely hope all progresses smoothly for her, for the sake of her children and their fathers.
I wonder if she’s told him the whole truth 😜

OffendedScot · 14/11/2023 17:35

One of you called this out already. LF obvs respects her word more than yours! Weirdly, you’d expect a writer to know this is outdated language.

Is Liz Fraser helping all women or just herself?
Verity44 · 14/11/2023 18:15

@Roomonthedustpan

Ah yes. That's probably how it is meant to be read.

@Heatherfell

She will have told him a highly revised version of the truth in which she is portrayed as victim and saint and everyone else as nasty bullies and abusers. That is what she did to me - does wonders for the self esteem I can tell you!

Raffington55 · 14/11/2023 18:36

I expect she put those pics up of herself after being abused for the new man - to tug at the heartstrings (manipulative much?). Though let's hope he doesn't have Instagram if she wants to keep hold of him - announcing the relationship was not very cool. He's probably disappeared!

Raffington55 · 14/11/2023 20:28

Actually that feels wrong and insensitive to others as a post - apologies if it offended anyone. Maybe I should have said "after a (likely) two-way scuffle with Mike".

ObservingToo · 14/11/2023 21:03

It’s no competition and no abuse is acceptable, but those photos show nothing compared to what lots of women looked like after a beating. If I posted photos of even my scars Instagram and Twitter would block me.
My point is that posting photos doesn’t help the women who need help. A while ago these would have made me feel I’d deserved worse than her and so got worse than her. I can’t work out when her abuse stopped but I thought it was still happening this time last year so she’s really mentally strong being able to trust a man again many never can I never will. Single now forever me.

Diamondstars · 15/11/2023 08:25

It's easy to pass judgment when you're not in a specific situation, so it would be beneficial for women to gain a better understanding of why some women stay in relationships or restart relationships with men who physically assault them. Emotional abuse is more subjective, but when you're physically assaulted to the point of bruising and fear, there's no mistaking it as abuse.

I want to emphasise that I'm not blaming victims in any way here. Personally, if anyone were to hit or bite me, I would consider the relationship over, whether it's a friend or a partner. However, Ive never been in this situation so my reality might be the opposite to this. It’s important to recognise that everyone's reality and decisions can be different when faced with such situations.

In Liz Fraser's case, after the assaults shown in the photos she posted yesterday, she left her home in Venice and relocated to Oxford. She bought a new home and invited Mike not only to continue the relationship but also to live with her without any couple counselling and unfortunately, the abuse continued.

I don't believe this is an unusual scenario, which is why we may need to focus on education to understand what drives some women to "love" and want to restart a relationship with a man who has previously abused them and has not undergone therapy for change. I might have missed it but nothing Liz has written explains the psychology behind this or steps to take to accept when a relationship is done.

Both Mike and Liz are in new, happy relationships but in the meantime they’ve endured 4 years of sheer hell that to the outside eye could have been avoided by a clean break in Venice. I’m my eye, success for Liz from her situation would be helping people learn from her mistakes. At this point, who was to blame is irrelevant. What is relevant is why two very unhappy and mismatched people decided to stay in an obviously toxic relationship. Liz has 100s of photos she could have stuck on her walls as reminders not to invite him back into her life.

Shortbread49 · 15/11/2023 09:23

The part I struggle with is that she had a baby and exposed the baby to this she put the abusive alcoholic above the baby , having known he had an alcohol problrm
from the start

Raffington55 · 15/11/2023 12:19

I always laugh when Liz claims to be about to write something, taking a photo of an empty page with a pen 'at the ready'. It's like kids who don't want to do their homework so they do this instead:

Tortiemiaw · 15/11/2023 15:42

Shortbread49 · 15/11/2023 09:23

The part I struggle with is that she had a baby and exposed the baby to this she put the abusive alcoholic above the baby , having known he had an alcohol problrm
from the start

One of my massive crippling guilt things is that I had a small child when I was going through some awful shit, in a terribly abusive relationship and failed to notice, a lot of the time, how it was affecting her.

It's such a hard thing to come to terms with - luckily we have been through so much and now have an amazing adult relationship, which I feel very lucky to have achieved.

What LF may not realise is that however amazing she is now with her child, how ever many 'Mumi I luv u, u r the besst' notes she is given by her child, however many times she takes her abroad, plays with her and pampers her - those early memories and visions and physical and emotional effects will never ever be healed, until she can admit what she did, talk about it, and hope for forgiveness. Is she capable? I hope so.

Verity44 · 15/11/2023 15:43

There have been some posts out recently that have been a bit confusing here and on "the other thread" 😉about Mike and his partner. Some saying they have split up and others congratulating his sobriety and recent trip to the US.

I think some of it was based on Liz's "march of triumph" last Friday saying that something had happened "to change the colour of everything - for the better". Knowing the couple Liz hates the most in the world is Mike and his partner I think people added the two together.

For my money they are still together. They still follow one another on their Instagram accounts and Mike recently (Sunday) referred to his "gf". This is quite unusual for him as he is normally very private but maybe he wanted to give a subtle hint that things are ok in that department. I really hope so because, as others have said, the last thing Scout needs is more loss and change in her little life. Especially as she has now resumed her relationship with her dad and made a new one with her stepmum and stepsiblings.

I don't know what Liz was referring to with her victory march and she probably doesn't know either given that she has moved on to all new attention-grabbing headlines!

Joonio · 15/11/2023 19:55

She's deleted IG.

Raydt · 15/11/2023 20:01

Mike and his girlfriend remain a loving couple. LF likely resents this more than him leaving as it challenges her narrative. She’s barbarous. Even in a new relationship she’s like a vicious animal shaking it’s prey. Will she ever accept that he admits he did wrong but has worked hard to change? Goodness only knows what her comments referred to. I would start defamation proceedings against her if it was me. Hopefully, her new partner can aid her recovery. More likely though, he’ll be added to her list.

Raffington55 · 15/11/2023 20:27

Er, she has shared the 'bite' photo before. Why does she lie so casually?

Tortiemiaw · 15/11/2023 20:28

Joonio · 15/11/2023 19:55

She's deleted IG.

I can still see it!

Notsolong · 15/11/2023 20:36

And not long ago @Raffington55. she claimed then she’d not shared it. She’s shared the bite and the bruised elbow.

Umbrellaisback · 15/11/2023 21:43

Joonio · 15/11/2023 19:55

She's deleted IG.

Maybe you’ve been blocked? She’s very definitely still there, saving the world one woman at a time

Tortiemiaw · 15/11/2023 22:12

Asking for help for her Big Secret Project To Help Women. 🤮

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