We are going to end up with a Conservative government AGAIN at this rate, is that ok with everyone?

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following a thread on AIBU I think about who would vote Tories again.....the main (only?) reason people are citing for voting Tories is the GC issue. Women totally abandoning social politics over a singular issue. declaring nothing else matters, if Labour can't get this right then, they won't vote for them

I can't work out if these people were Conservative voter's anyway/actually do agree that Conservative policy and practice generally, is in our best interests compared with Labour

OR they are prioritising GC issues above and at the exclusion of all else? because alot more women will have a lot more issues, if we have yet another round of Conservative Government

And they are ignoring that Labour (finally!) defined women as adult human female

AND ignoring that this whole debacle has happened under the Tories 🤷🏼‍♀️

We've discussed this before. It's irrelevant.
The number of "irregular migrants" is dwarfed by the number of "approved migrants". I don't see the point of spending so much time and effort on policies that will reduce migration by a few percent, tops.

I don’t want anyone to die

Ok how many are you thinking, the world is looking pretty bad for quite a few atm

It’s irrelevant

Yeh you might need more on that

@EasternStandard why are you asking these questions of Mnetters and not of the Tory government?

You made me laugh out loud on that one

Maybe because I’m posting on mn about migration

It’s called a forum

It's good that you haven't given up on climate change, and I salute you for making changes. However, I must admit to being confused by the fact that you're making changes at an individual level but don't consider it that important to make changes at a national level because the UK is too small to make a difference? I don't really follow the logic there. I accept that you think we're "ahead" on issues, but I find that a curious way of thinking about it... being "ahead" means that we need to slow down in order to be as "behind" as everyone else? Surely the faster we can go, the better?

I get that the government has to take the country with them on these issues, but Sunak rowed back on commitments made by his predecessors that had already been widely accepted, and he infuriated businesses by moving the goalposts when they had invested heavily in getting ready for the changes that had been announced previously. There was no need for him to backtrack on existing commitments...it was an entirely cynical move to try and buy himself a bit of electoral advantage. As someone who obviously cares about climate change enough to have made individual lifestyle changes, I'm really surprised that you think that was OK.

As for the deterrent effect of the Rwanda policy, I don't buy it, and with your international experience, I'm really surprised that you do. The Home Office admitted previously that they didn't have any evidence regarding the deterrent effect, didn't they, so they're just hoping for the best that it might work. I guess time will tell...

It’s back to the security issue

We need strength and diversified energy, plus water security

Basically I’m looking at it from get ready view point.

We also have a ridiculous requirement incoming for NHS due to aging, 1 in 11 employed by NHS by 2036

I think we have a chance but will need to balance out difficult requirements

I don’t think things will get easier, nor will the migration issue abate (it will increase) but if people vote along another path so be it. I’ll see what happens.

Are you putting your questions to the Tory party @EasternStandard?

Which questions exactly?

I’m not sure why you keep going on with that

I’m responding to mners atm

It's interesting the neck breaking switch from "the Conservatives know what a woman is" to "but immigration" following the Labour conference.

I don't think immigration is as much of a feminist issue tbh

Really?

This is all you’ve got?

It’s interesting how you dip into snide posts

Probably not due to the Labour conference, just the usual

Is it because your I don’t want anyone to die idea is a bit.. difficult

Also I think the Labour conference meant more to you than me. I didn’t hear any of it

I was listening to Hamas and Israel atrocities though. Far more pressing.

To "what would you do oh Random Mnetter?"

It's almost as though they don't want to talk about the Tory party. I wonder why.

You do realise how forums work?

Someone asks me a question and I respond

How are you finding that difficult? I’m talking about the topic as raised.

If you want to talk about a political party knock yourself out. You have typing ability I’m sure

You do realise how forums work?
Yes. Just as I know how our voting systems work.

I am talking about the topic as raised.
The topic raised is the Conservative Party. You are doing your utmost to not talk about them.🙄

You have typing ability I'm sure.
Well duh! Did you work that out all by yourself, Captain Obvious?😆

Lol at these responses

Just type what you want to talk about. I’m not your mind reader

Post, engage, you know ‘chat’

Go…

How has this Conservative Government improved the UK and the lives of its citizens in the 13 years it's been in power @EasternStandard?

How can they have any plan for the future when even Tory MPs are deserting and we all know PM Sunak will be binned soon?

It's grand if you just want to engage from your feminist POV, rather than more generally @EasternStandard.

We aren't doing anything about energy water or food security, actually the opposite, Gas prices have almost trebled since the summer, the UK hasn't even filled up the Rough facility, let alone got any new storage planed.

A 30yr plan to improve waste water and storage! which the consumer has to pay for, whilst dividends increase! wow!

As for 1 :11 working in the NHS? well of course, no plan on health prevention, long term sick, 8m on waiting lists, a lack of adult social carers, the 1:11 figure is only going to happen IF the Govts workforce plan is actually delivered - unlikely.

Still nothing on how we will alter global migrant flows unless we use force, some honesty would be good here.

I’m a long term Labour member - my local party is sensible and pragmatic but holy shit that doesn’t hold elsewhere.

it’s not just knowing what a woman is though, there are a load of other crazy fringe ideas, especially in Young Labour, and the older party members are either in thrall to this nonsense or afraid to argue against it. Think thousands and thousands of Little Owen Joneses. The civil service is still captured in loads of departments - they aren’t going to pay any more attention to Keir’s cabinet than Rishi’s cabinet.

Never voted Tory but I would spoil a ballot if I didn’t have reassuring inside view of my CLP (not a student area!)

The only plus point of Labour would be increased public spending,
particularly on schools (and the NHS but that’s wasted on EDI training and solidarity lanyards).

@howpo you’re obviously convinced.

I can’t see it. I can see a time of increasing volatility and difficulty and I’m afraid all the we can fix everything and not let anyone die posts below haven’t done much to convince me posters are being realistic

It’s too far removed from current world events

The Conservatives have nothing now, they are clearly toast at the next election. I can't see a way they will win. Liz Truss ruined a key plank of their reputation (safe on the economy) and everything is so shit that I think most voters will want a change.

Convinced of what?

Not convinced, 12 months plus from an Election? anything can and probably will happen.

It'll be down to how each party manages events, there is also the influence of social media and how that "reports" events.

Swing voters can easily swing back either way - appreciate its not the same but i remember Kinnock and the absolute belief Lab would win but despite Majors problems and a dire economy, the Tories won :(

Your views in that post

I can’t say I am, but rather than respond I’ll just take overall feeling from thread that posters aren’t really looking at what’s going on globally and realities incoming

Fiddling about sending 1000 people to Rwanda and putting 1000 on a barge is not "dealing with the global realities incoming" either, to be honest.