We are going to end up with a Conservative government AGAIN at this rate, is that ok with everyone?

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following a thread on AIBU I think about who would vote Tories again.....the main (only?) reason people are citing for voting Tories is the GC issue. Women totally abandoning social politics over a singular issue. declaring nothing else matters, if Labour can't get this right then, they won't vote for them

I can't work out if these people were Conservative voter's anyway/actually do agree that Conservative policy and practice generally, is in our best interests compared with Labour

OR they are prioritising GC issues above and at the exclusion of all else? because alot more women will have a lot more issues, if we have yet another round of Conservative Government

And they are ignoring that Labour (finally!) defined women as adult human female

AND ignoring that this whole debacle has happened under the Tories 🤷🏼‍♀️

@AdamRyan
So much has changed since 2020!
Most people ( of all parties) were unaware of the threat to women's rights .

Hahahahahahaha
What drivel
Everyone knew it in 2020. The reason it took so long to do the consultation was because everyone knew and so it was very difficult to balance what women were asking for with what trans people were asking for.

Laurel Hubbard competed in the 2018 commonwealth games, that was a turning point for lots of people.

The story about Karen White assaulting female inmates broke in 2018.

Katy Dolatowski was arrested for sexually assaulting a child in a womens toilets in a supermarket in 2018.

Well Labour want to make it easier again so many might vote to avoid that.

That's their choice, but then they are going to get a continuation of the lying and corruption of the current government. No plan for the CoL crisis. Plus a new leader, probably Braverman. And maybe a government with Farage in it.

Just doesn't stack up for me. I really can't see any government moving to self ID after what happened in Scotland. And the "fear" the Labour Party might move to self ID isn't particularly compelling either.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4915770-labour-will-make-it-easier-for-people-to-change-their-gender

Just putting this here, from the Labour Party Conference this week.

OP I don't think you will get many confessing to voting Tory as they usually get jumped on, just as Leave voters did?/do. While the GC issue is a big one, I don't think it registers that much with voters in general, the more important issues are immigration and cost of living. No party seems to have an answer to the out of control illegal immigration, and wasn't it Tony Blair who opened the gates to this? Labour don't seem to have any proposed solution, and even when the Conservatives try to do anything about it, although clearly too little, too late, it is blocked, eg Rwanda. I have no idea what will happen at the next election as Labour are such a poor opposition, particularly with KS as leader. Agree that they lost the plot when they picked the wrong Milliband.

Has Farage been selected as PPC for the Tories? Which seat?

That's an article about what Kemi Badenoch says about a snapshot of what Labour might announce at the conference this week.
I'll wait to see what they actually say. On the face of it, implementing policy drawing on experiences from other countries seems sensible....

Sunak won’t step down if he wins. Of course not

No party seems to have an answer to the out of control illegal immigration, and wasn't it Tony Blair who opened the gates to this?

In what way did Tony Blair open up the gates to illegal immigration?

You know he hasn't yet.
He was front and centre at their conference, despite not being a member. I wonder why that was?

Will you be surprised if they announce a policy in line with what has been part of their clear agenda for the past few years?

I won't.

But yes, let's wait and see what they do say.

I hope that this is wrong but I doubt it is.

I didn't know he hadn't. Hence the question.

YaWeeFurryBastard · Yesterday 12:53

My view on this is there’s a very vocal but pretty small minority of people for whom this is the deciding factor. I really don’t think the election will be won or lost on this issue “

This. They’re blinkered and can’t see the bigger picture, the issues that are causing far more people far more harm. Thankfully, I suspect their votes will be neither here nor there.

I agree with pp immigration will be a rising issue

Only a passing glance at world news shows the volatility and change that is occurring

Security will be, or should be if people have any sense, a priority

I agree. I'm terfy as hell but I'm voting labour because of other issues that are more immediately pressing in my mind.

This. They’re blinkered and can’t see the bigger picture, the issues that are causing far more people far more harm. Thankfully, I suspect their votes will be neither here nor there.

Yet I think it's blinkered to wilfully vote in a labour party that seems determined to remove women's rights wholesale.

Once they're lost there will be no turning back.

I voted Conservative all my life (I'm mid 60s) but wouldn't again - however, I could never vote for Labour.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12592095/amp/Nigel-Farage-says-join-Tories-real-right-wing-party-feted-activists-conference.html

It's beyond spoof really. Now we just need Borat and the country is set.

sorry, I haven't read the whole thread, yet.

have they defined female?

not sure what I'll do, but I expect spoil my paper.

I'll never vote for the absolute mess that is labour.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-labour-woman-anneliese-dodds-b2382675.html

Yes - Starmer has been clear woman = adult female.
He didn't say "human" but I highly doubt he was talking about ewes, cows and hens.

I must admit I find it strange that feminists want to vote tory. Yes torys understand that women are people with vaginas. But many also believe that a womans place is in the home, raising babies, pleasing men and shutting the fuck up. They do not believe that everyone should be entitled to a decent free education or health care service.

In 2019, people said the same thing about Corbyn and Labour's antisemitism - that it was a minor issue and people should 'overlook' it for the 'greater good'. This is essentially the same message; that women should be prepared to vote for a party that panders to an extremist minority viewpoint 'for the greater good'. Nope.

Most people don't care about this issue. Most people do want the government to be honest and clear thinking. When Starmer is asked to define a woman he looks shifty dishonest and hard of thinking. If he can't define a woman via basic biology, he can't be trusted to put the bins out, let alone run the country. He will be asked this question every time he is interviewed. The public will see him as either thick or a liar. Every single time.

Voting Tory because you have doubts about Labour on gender recognition is like choosing to pet a crocodile because you're worried the cat would scratch you. Austerity and underfunding of care and health have been appalling for women, the impact dwarfs anything about trans issues.

I know on here people get very exercised about the gender stuff, I don't think it really registers with most voters, NHS and economy are the most important issues and the Tories are screwed on those.