Labour will make it easier for people to change their gender

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... a report by Labour’s National Policy Forum, to be voted on tomorrow, says: ‘The process of gender recognition is intrusive, outdated and humiliating. ‘Labour will modernise, simplify and reform the gender recognition law to a new process, taking into account international evidence of what works.’

Experts said that the wording of the policy paved the way for the removal of the current need for doctors to sign off a change in gender.

Equalities Minister Kemi Badenoch said: ‘Labour backed self-ID for five years because it’s what they really believe. A policy that endangers women and girls.

‘This policy document shows they haven’t changed their minds. We should all be worried about their real plans if they’re ever in government.’

https://manchestermag.com/labour-will-make-it-easier-for-people-to-change-their-gender-rift-opens-between-the-two-main-parties-on-woke-policies-after-rishi-sunak-declares-a-woman-is-a-woman

I think this is basically this article in the Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/08/kemi-badenoch-keir-starmer-labour-election-gender-trans/ which can be read by going to https://archive.ph and pasting in the Telegraph link above.

I'd be more impressed if they modernised the humiliating and dehumanising dwp.

Labour can FRO then. Who am I supposed to vote for?

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/10/09/scottish-labour-is-still-gripped-by-gender-identity-lunacy/

I'd be more impressed if they modernised the humiliating and dehumanising dwp.

Or talked about social housing rather than "affordable".

And didn't let a senior Labour MP saying they needed to be a little more Tory to win the vote.

Accept of course if they really were going to be a little more Tory, they wouldn't be voting to bring in Self ID.

True, I don't know who they think can afford it or wants to (I've seen the quality of some recent "affordable" housing as its gone up and desirable of its not).

Me too. That would actually help a lot of people though.

People Labour don't actually care about, like the disabled. I guess we just aren't fashionable enough. ☹

If I ever vote Labour again it will be because they have genuinely Labour economic policies such as renationalisation of water, energy, social housing, building more council houses, putting schools back under LA control, getting contractor out of the NHS and council services, bring back Sure Start centres and make more of them etc and that they are focusing on all the above and have totally dumped identity politics.

I thought the reason some blokes did it was BEACAUSE it was humiliating?

Playing the trans card is a massive vote loser! Excellent!

We can but dream. If only! Sounds a bit too socialist for KS.

I think they made a few of the right noises when it all kicked off in Scotland but really Labour haven’t moved in their position on this at all. I think they are arrogant enough to think they can fudge their words and language and we will be placated or even be convinced.

Agree that the process for claiming any benefits especially Disability benefits is truly humiliating. This needs to be reformed urgently and the GRC should be abolished , and the GRA repealed. Labour should be asked about this. Not convinced there has been any change in their attitude over womens sex based protections.

They use the phrase "build consensus".

They mean "get the stupid people to accept gender ideology or at least shut up".

Yes. They think the electorate is somewhat stupider then they are when in fact most of us are far more intelligent and in touch with reality.

Really, when a party's totally impractical headline policy is to get a class of 30 small children brushing their teeth at school in the morning (hygiene, teachers, education time and practicalities be damned) then I think we know the level of intelligence they're operating at. This is in schools without basic resources and in some cases literally propped up to stop them falling down. Who comes up with this rubbish? Surely getting the basics right should come first?

I did have quite an amusing conversation with a teacher friend about it after school. She's in a union and would be a naturally left voter but I think they've lost her over the toothbrushing idea. And from the sound of it teaching would lose her if they actually tried to implement it. She had about 10 reasons it would be a complete nightmare.

All of which is to say - It's not just gender ideology where they've totally lost the plot and are completely divorced from reality as well as completely underestimating and condescending to the electorate. It's just who they are.

Labour know that most disabled people would vote for them and wouldn't vote Tory, so they've no need to try to please them to get their votes!

Indeed, when I hear people complaining the process to get a GRC is humiliating and invasive, I can only hope they never have to claim Universal Credit.

I have never felt more politically homeless.

I've voted Labour - probably out of habit - all my life. I won't vote for them until they return to their old policies either.

I have no idea what they stand for any more.

ETA I'm disabled and was told by the advisor who helps me claim my benefits that they expect Labour to be harsher with disability benefits. But not so up-front about their restrictions! It took me YEARS to get benefits as I simply had no support. My surgery won't write supporting letters (even if I had a single GP who knew my difficulties).

Since finally finding a benefits advisor who would see me (my county doesn't have one!), I've filled in forms properly and been able to get copies of my records for support. I was given a 10-year award as my condition is a degenerating one. I dread going back in 2 years to re-apply. I suspect I'm far from the only person who feels like this.

So sorry agent765 - they really can make claimants life absolute hell.

And its funny about how the media goes on about how great it is that Starmer is more Blair than anything, and all those awful Blairites are out an about making comments.

Because under tony blair they franchised out the unemployment offices in my area (and maybe elsewhere) to some private company (whose CEO just might have been a friend of the then PM).

It was a complete disaster, and the worse thing was the company kept on getting paid whilst claimants were not only not getting their weekly allowance but not their housing benefit either. One woman ended up basically in a sex for rent situation. Just horrible. And bad as the local council had been, they at least sorted it out althouhgit took them a year. No profit in doing that for the private company.

And dont forget Blair was the one who bought in PFI. The result of which is that now many schools and hospitals are paying off debts to private companies, and are effectively in the same unsustainable economic situation as developing countries who paying out more in debt repayments (to the west) than they spend on their own country.

So quite honestly, even if there wasn't the "what is a woman" nonsnese, I am not sure what voting to Starmer's Labour would mean. A sort of Tory lite party, run by a metropolitan elite.

I need to know where Labour stands on women’s safety, it dictates how I vote.

From the Labour Policy document published prior to the Conference:

• Introduce a full, no-loopholes, trans-inclusive ban on conversion therapy
• Modernise, simplify and reform the gender recognition law to a new process, taking into account international evidence of what works effectively, while continuing to support the implementation of the 2010 Equality Act, including its provision for single-sex exemptions
• Work to end discrimination against trans people, non-binary and gender diverse people and ensure they are treated with respect and dignity in society

and

• Make tackling violence against women and girls a government-wide strategic commitment, including working with domestic violence, workforce and prevention services to ensure victims are supported
• Put domestic abuse specialists in the control rooms of every police force, responding to 999 calls and supporting victims of abuse
• Ensure there is a specialist rape unit in every police force
• Seek to tackle misogyny as one of the root causes of violence against women and girls by preventing algorithms from promoting harmful content online and making tackling misogyny a key part of school accountability
• Make misogyny a hate crime to make sure all police forces record the violence and harassment suffered by women

https://labourlist.org/2023/10/labour-national-policy-forum-final-document-summary-policy-manifesto-party-conference/#six

• Seek to tackle misogyny as one of the root causes of violence against women and girls by preventing algorithms from promoting harmful content online and making tackling misogyny a key part of school accountability

This is just bad, I know they want it to be good, but I cannot see it having a great outcome. Don't we know how this kind of stuff goes in schools, it takes a ton of administrative effort, and just doesn't help. But can end up sometimes having bizarre outcomes in the class and school as they try and apply blanket approaches.

And hate speech laws are not good either IMO, they don't help but do become a means of control.

Bear in mind this has not been voted for. It’s a proposal. Hopefully, it will be voted out!

Bear in mind this has not been voted for. It’s a proposal. Hopefully, it will be voted out!

I cant find anything about what has been voted on. So I was partly posting the info to compate against what goes through.

Its a massive list in total. I can believe each item will be voted on. I suspect most will get nodded through, and this publication was to allow anyone who wanted to raise anything about proposals has / had time to do so.

Tomorrow is the big set speech, so doubt they will be doing much else.