Mother arrested in front of child by Met over bus fare (that she had paid!)

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twitter.com/saskia_cole/status/1682705268721737728?s=46&t=p6GESSn09HWHVXYgTLIbJg

Why was this woman arrested like this!?! Her poor child!

According to other Tweeters, she had paid her bus fare BTW.

I stand corrected. Desperate reaching.

Ahh so it doesn’t happen (no issues with racism on the feminist boards) and if it does happen then it’s deliberate troll posts and not genuine feminist board posters.

Now why does that sound a bit familiar 🤔

As I originally asked, is there a survey on which posters are actually regular posters with a feminist angle, and which are one time or rare posters? Or posters that just post nonsense or that just post to bad mouth this board.

That's all I'm asking for, the receipts.

If people are going to slate a whole board, at least show is your workings.

So you want me to look through all the deleted posts, use my crystal ball to check which ones were deleted for racism specifically, and then check if they’re repeat posters? Not to mention how easy it is to name change or register a new account anyway.

Like I said before, the fact this has been discussed for years shows it’s an issue on the boards, I have seen some frequent posters from this board post racist comments on the BMN board (thankfully ploppers seem to be a less regular occurrence now) but there’s no point naming names as 1) this post will get deleted and 2) I’m sure you’ll have an excuse for it anyway.

Have you read the posts by @Socrateswasrightaboutvoting on this board? She has been attacked from every angle time and time again. Yet she has relentlessly, calmly and so eloquently persisted in trying to explain, to get heard. To resonate with the unreasonable. To suggest that she would be anything other than part of the solution is preposterous.

Yes all of that, then you also need to smile and apologise while you run and do everyone non existent fact checking and evidence gathering for them. Then you need to smile and apologise again. On repeat.

And of course they’ve always got an answer for the evidence.

They can no longer refute that there are frequent racist posts on the feminist boards, so we’ve moved on from no racism to racism posted with the intent to make the boards look bad.

Like I said, it’s the same tactic of it doesn’t happen and if it does then then it wasn’t a genuine person etc etc, that frequently gets discussed on this board when used by TRAs.

I see we've moved on quite a bit from requests for an approved list of publications to now a survey on the posting habits of users of this board, to requests for a detailed analysis on various assertions which have been made regarding the reputation of this board.

What I appreciate the most about Donut's posts is that he/she/they/it (after all how can anyone know), is providing real-time, textbook perfect insight into the wider phenomenon of the gaslighting of Black people and in this instance Black women. 10/10. No comments.

This is just a social platform of sorts, we can all choose to just log off but imagine, just imagine Donut represents the white women who work with Black women, who provide healthcare to Black women, who teach Black girls....

I do agree that racism is a problem on FWR.

However, as far as I can see, this thread is the only one in the whole forum about this woman's arrest. Therefore, anyone on MN, feminist or otherwise, who wishes to comment on this video can only do so here. Meaning, there is likely many commenting who aren't feminists (which given their posts, I'd agree with!)

I'm not taking notes no.

I'm actually pointing out that if you read racist posts on a racist board and don't report them, year after year, then how can you sit by and blame other people for being the issue.

People start thread after thread telling the feminism posters off for this, that, the other. But the fact that people read, don't engage and yet tell the people that do engage that they are engaging the wrong way, are just as much an issue as anyone else.

Engage, dont engage, do what you want. There will be another thread along in a day or two having a go at the posters here for yet another wrong thing they have or haven't done. As if they are some sort of collective.

Take as an example the Royal Family board.

There will be people who love the royals.

There will be people that hate them.

There will be people who just post to wind up the people that love or hate them.

The people who are Royalists are not to blame for the people who post the hatred.

It's a simple concept. A board attracts people who love, hate or just want to aggravate people on that board.

Thank you, not sure if I am as polite as I should be all of the time! You have been great company in the trenches, too! 😊

You've been capable of making the feminist section look bad all on your own on this thread.

What has your point even been? You do not support women if they aren't white, and anyone who has given their thoughts or experiences which don't align with yours are men or trolls?

Why aren't you asking yourself 'why does this board keep getting accusations of racism?'

Why are you so quick to defend 'feminists' when clearly you actually don't know what that means? Black posters are feminists. White posters against racism are feminists.But none of these people are satisfactory in your superior opinion.

People are allowed a different opinion from you. Doesn't make them not feminist. It means that you think someone is only a feminist if certain conditions are met.

Nothing drive by misogynists like more than driving wedges in between women.

The regulars on here are mainly left leaning, and care about other women. Do you really think they are racists?

I've explained it in so many ways I'm all out.

Ps I don't speak for the feminist section. Nobody does. That's the point.

Look, I am not a regular on this board. I don't discount the possibility of a tiny minority of people trolling.

However, the point here is you refuse to accept that white feminists and black feminists don't face the same challenges. It's as if you have completely shut yourself off. Some posters comments may have been removed. It could have been because they are trolls, or it could be because some MN posters (including myself) don't always post under the same name because people piling on you for any reason is very upsetting.

Any long term black posters, who may not always frequent this thread (for what looks like good reason) have shared their experiences and have had them shut down.

That is racist even if you don't believe that.

The feminist board on MN isn't being infiltrated by a number of people who pretend they are black and the board is racist to get it shut down (or do you have inside info that this is the new way for incels to put their point across?). No one cares about MN in the grand scheme of things, it has absolutely no sway in the feminist movement.

Not one black poster have you agreed with, or even stopped to consider that they may have a point.

Why?

If people think there is a difference between black and white feminism why can't you accept that? A PP said 'not hard to respect the police'....I mean, wow. If they haven't affected your life and don't discriminate towards you then yes, it isn't hard to trust the police.

All I'm saying is, the feminist movement is supposed to be for all women. Woman have different experiences. If you don't want people to accuse this section of being racist, how about you consider what non white women are saying? Doesn't mean you have to agree every time, but at least show some understanding that you are the not the person able to make an unbiased decision on every news story that comes out.

Listen to other people and their day to day experiences and how they affect a situation that would have been different had it been you who experienced it.

You may still come to the same conclusion, but you should respect your fellow Mumsnetters when they are speaking about a feminist issue on a feminist thread.

Well said.

it has been shocking and dismaying. I can only hope that you know some of us are listening. We are watching too. And we are deeply ashamed that this happens

I’m reading & listening. Thanks for trying to put across a different pov. We can’t say we never heard of this before.

I haven't agreed with anyone on purpose.

My point is that anyone can post on here. That's it. That's the point.

You can read whatever you want into that. Insult me like others have done. Accuse me of being responsible for the whole of the NHS treatment of black women (I've never worked in the NHS but hey). Responsible for the whole of the bad reputation on 'this section' all ony own.

If you choose to think all white women hate all black women because of the behaviour of random drive by posters on an internet forum that anyone can post on, then so be it.

That's your decision. I'm just saying maybe look further than random one post individuals who get a kick out of seeing the reactions to their posts.

That's a little NAMALT though.
It hurts. It really hurts to be a 2nd waver and white and see that not all of us - by a long chalk if FWR is anything to go by - are so dismissive of black women.

I don't know what to say except that I see you, I'm listening. We must do better.

I missed the NHS remark, that wasn't me who posted it but I would imagine a post such as that was talking about how damaging it is with certain views collectively.

You're either a feminist or you're not. You can't pick and choose what's feminist based on the colour of someone's skin or the fact they may not be who they say they are on an anonymous forum.

How does anyone know you are who you say you are? Because you are certainly not helping matters on this board so perhaps it's you who is trying to bring the board down?

However, it was wrong of me to say it was only you because there are more than a few others so I apologise for that shitty remark.

You are refusing to believe that the experiences of black posters are real. Why do you not believe these women? Serious question.

Honestly, see if you just accepted there are different experiences for different women then still disagreed on one particular story then this would have gone a whole lot better.

It is literally no different from me telling you I've been sexually assaulted and you saying 'well I have a Dad and a brother and men don't do that'.

Think I've actually posted something similar but such is my belief in what I am saying I'm repeating myself.

You are refusing to believe that the experiences of black posters are real. Why do you not believe these women? Serious question

I'm not saying that black posters are lying. For a start I have no idea who is black or white or any background in the first place as this is an anonymous forum where anyone can post. This is not about those posters.

I'm getting into the realms of the pretend police officer on here who just keeps saying 'we just don't know' over and over again. What I am saying is that I do not believe that some of the people that come on here and post racist stuff are feminists or even women in the first place.

I am saying that instead of assuming that all posters in here who post vile stuff are actually white women, maybe look beyond that as we get many people on here posting other vile stuff, and screenshotting it in the few minutes it is on here just to show how bad we all are.

And the people that post this stuff are getting something out of it from the reactions to their posts.

I have kind of said it many ways now. I've said the same thing on other threads about how mean the posters on here are, about a range of topics. And the common theme is 'i don't go on there because they are all (insert whatever)ist.

Well, if you see (whateverist) posts and don't report them, which leads to you forming that opinion in the first place then are you (not you, I have no idea who you actually are) just letting the (whateverist) thing happen?

A forum is a collection of random people. As I said earlier, the royal board will be full of people both loving the royals, and hating them. So apply the same thoughts when you see things, often completely vile and batshit, on here. There are as many anti women posters as pro women on here.

That's all I'm saying.

We know what you are saying... We are lying/complicit and or/over exaggerating men with an agenda, masquerading as women. You are also saying that black people have to bring you 'receipts' of racism and their tackling of it. You are out of your tiny mind (and almost two centuries late) if you think you are entitled to anything from us. Get your own receipts!

Well yes, but that's the same for any poster on any board. If you don't ever believe anyone on MN then why be a member at all? What's the difference just because it's the feminist section?

Even if someone wasn't who they say they are (which I believe is a significantly low number), they are still reflecting true life experiences.

Anyway. I think we have reached a stalemate. We are both continually repeating ourselves and getting nowhere.

I hope the mother and more importantly the child are ok.

There is one this morning.

Apparently many Muslims are worshipping Satan.

Has posted 5 posts on the board prior to this thread, and 9 on MN in total under this username. We have no idea who they are.

The thread is asking if people are reassessing their religion. Which makes it look as if a religious person is asking a question.

It makes the board look deranged. But it isn't a regular user name.

So what does this mean? It means, anyone can post.