What are the goals of feminism?

[ThunderDad]

I am interested to know what are the goals of feminism in 2023. I'm honestly curious as someone who doesn't know a whole lot about it.

Also women are generally treated with more kindness and consideration. You kind of get told to get lost a lot more as a man.

That's an interesting claim - what information did you use to ascertain that it's true?

I'm talking about general day to day interaction.

No. You are wrong.

You mean pretty women.
Ugly women are treated horribly.

Perhaps OP has been misled by his personal experiences. I expect certain types of men get told to get lost extremely frequently ...

Hey OP.
You could always ask your wife for her views on feminism.
When she isn't busy tidying the house, of course.

I fucking love your reply @MrsTerryPratchett
And 100% agree

The goals of feminism (as I understand it)

To quash the tyranny of centuries-long male-rule
Some of the effects of this tyranny are small - eg penis portions
Some are major - disempowered women stuck in horrible relationships due to children or dependents

You can find these effects wherever you look

So please look

Also women are generally treated with more kindness and consideration.

You have absolutely no clue, do you? Women are pretty routinely treated (by complete strangers as well as by men they know or are in relationships with) with indifference, contempt, sexism, unwanted sexual remarks and behaviour, violence and patronising attitudes.

To end male violence against women and girls (and children). Whatever else you do, women across all spectrums - political, social, economic - are restricted by male violence. Without ending it, we’re just tinkering.

Are there any means of achieving this or working towards this, in your opinion?

Op? This is quite some claim. Are you able to give any indication of how you established this?

Are there any means of achieving an end to male violence towards women?
Why are you asking us?
You men need to deal with this. Not us.

I mean the simplest way is for men to just... stop doing it? But they won't. Why do you think that is, OP?

Looks like the OP is bored with feminism now that we've brought male violence against women into it.

Lived experience. I don't have a dataset to hand and in any case it's not very quantifiable. Here's an experiment. Disguise yourself as a man for a day and go shopping, take a train, ask some people for directions / help. See if there's a difference. I'm not being facetious here. I think you would notice the difference.

I haven't been violent towards any women so I can't really help you with your question. What about domestic violence by women against men? Is this acceptable?

Try being a 12 yo girl. I was sexually harassed in the street by men from 11. Turns out my 12 yo has already been propositioned on the street as well. She is a different girl to me. I would feel embarrassed and shit and wonder what I'd done. She said, "I don't know you" sarcastically. I'm glad he didn't respond with the stock ugly/bitch/fat/lesbian shit they sometimes do. It's happened so many times I could write their script for them.

That's my bloody lived experience. Let that sink in. I was sexually harassed so many times as a CHILD by ADULT MEN I knew what they would say, sometimes verbatim. My friend's DD, even younger, was offered money by a man and when she refused, he touched her. Not her shoulder.

When men wonder why women are sometimes angry, and can't be doing with your shit, maybe blame those men, not us.

Why can't you help with the question of male violence against women? You've asked women on this thread to define feminism, which is a huge category of stuff to comment on.
And I am deeply unimpressed with your whataboutery. What has female violence against men got to do with it? It's rare.
But 80% of women have had a violent experience at the hands of a man.

I haven't been violent towards any men so I can't answer you.

You can't answer "why do you think men as a class are violent" because you haven't been violent towards women?

Your logic is that only someone who has committed violence can know why men don't stop committing violence?

I disagree. You seem to have either quite shaky logic, or your reasoning stems from flawed data.

Do you think your lived experience allows you to correctly ascertain which sex experiences more kindness?

Again, I think this is flawed logic. You would only ever encounter a tiny fraction of a percent of the world's population. You would honestly think it was accurate to extrapolate from this?

When I take the train, walk down the street, or go shopping I have experienced multiple instances of aggression, sexual harassment, assault, name-calling, threats, among other things. This has happened for approximately 25 years.

I am by no means an outlier. Can you describe how you have accounted for this in your claim?

I mean, I'm beginning to get a Poe's Law vibe here, but we've got a man saying "you can't measure which sex is treated with more kindness, but it's men, because I (a man) don't directly see women being treated less kindly".

No violence is acceptable, btw - I'm a little concerned you needed to ask that, OP. (Excepting self-defence, or accident, in general, I should clarify).

@AmuseBish I am glad you agree about violence from women against men being bad. In which case maybe its time that women stopped being violent to men. Some of the posts here would suggest that it only ever goes one way. This does not even include emotional abuse which I think is very common from women towards men. Many of the women on this thread are being abusive towards me, in large part simply because I am a man.

There are indeed some things that you cannot easily measure objectively but you can identify it. Conscientiousness is an example. It's probably best to leave aside the 'kindness' debate as neither of us can prove the other wrong. There is no objective data on this and it would be difficult to produce any.

As it happens I have been sexually assaulted by an adult woman as a child too. And also assaulted by a male paedophile. Also as an adolescent I was called unspeakable things by strangers both male and female during a period where I had particularly bad acne.

Point is, it happens to boys too and both men and women can be perpetrators.

My experience is that women are far more likely to be emotionally abusive towards men than men are towards other men or women. Often this abuse can be deeply scarring.

Oh here we go. We're being abusive to him now.
Predictable.