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Feminism: chat

What are the goals of feminism?

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ThunderDad · 05/04/2023 20:23

I am interested to know what are the goals of feminism in 2023. I'm honestly curious as someone who doesn't know a whole lot about it.

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Hoppinggreen · 06/04/2023 16:11

ThunderDad · 06/04/2023 15:11

Someone suggested I should start this thread. The question I pose here came up on another thread but wasn't really relevant to the topic under discussion. I took their advice and created this thread.

No, you created a thread about Terfs, got told to F off and deleted.

Hoppinggreen · 06/04/2023 16:13

ThunderDad · 06/04/2023 15:41

Bernard your username seems to suggest that you are also a man.

Funnily enough sometimes things appear at first glance to be one thing but once you get a proper look you realise they are something else entirely

ThunderDad · 06/04/2023 16:15

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 05/04/2023 22:34

OP what are your goals to aid feminism?

That is a good question. Well in so far as I am subscribed to feminism, which it would seem has different meanings for everyone, I aid feminism by supporting my wife. As in I support her to be able to live to her full potential. I provide materially and give emotional support. I help to raise our child. I also show appreciation for the things she does for me. In short, I aim to be a good husband to my wife. This is feminism for me.

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Bunshaped · 06/04/2023 16:21

But that's pulling your weight as part of a family unit and being a decent human being. It's not feminism, or aiding feminism.

You'd do well to read the wikipedia article linked to by @BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn As wikipedia goes, it's not bad.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 06/04/2023 16:36

Agreed, Bun - that's basic humaning.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 06/04/2023 16:39

Yeah, I like to think I’m contributing to world peace by going to work and looking after my children

I expect the Nobel committee will be in touch any day

TheShellBeach · 06/04/2023 16:40

ThunderDad · 06/04/2023 16:15

That is a good question. Well in so far as I am subscribed to feminism, which it would seem has different meanings for everyone, I aid feminism by supporting my wife. As in I support her to be able to live to her full potential. I provide materially and give emotional support. I help to raise our child. I also show appreciation for the things she does for me. In short, I aim to be a good husband to my wife. This is feminism for me.

None of that is aiding feminism.
It's just doing your share of parenting and housework.

StephanieSuperpowers · 06/04/2023 16:47

Good old helping with your child. That's literally as pathetic as a human can get.

ThunderDad · 06/04/2023 17:00

StephanieSuperpowers · 06/04/2023 16:47

Good old helping with your child. That's literally as pathetic as a human can get.

OK Stephanie. Interesting opinion.

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ThunderDad · 06/04/2023 17:01

TheShellBeach · 06/04/2023 16:40

None of that is aiding feminism.
It's just doing your share of parenting and housework.

So my question is, as a man, what should I do to aid feminism?

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Fairislefandango · 06/04/2023 17:06

I aid feminism by supporting my wife. As in I support her to be able to live to her full potential.

And do you believe that a woman’s potential is, or should be, different from a man's? That women have a different role to fulfill in society?

Fairislefandango · 06/04/2023 17:09

OK Stephanie. Interesting opinion.

I think what Stephanie might mean is that an equal parent doesn't 'help', they parent their child. Would you say your wife 'helps' you to raise your child? It's a bit like when a husband says 'I did the laundry to help you out'.

TheShellBeach · 06/04/2023 17:15

ThunderDad · 06/04/2023 17:01

So my question is, as a man, what should I do to aid feminism?

No, that's not how this works.
We asked you to tell us.

TheShellBeach · 06/04/2023 17:18

OP does your wife do the hovering to help you out?
Does she bath your child to help you out?

TheShellBeach · 06/04/2023 17:18

TheShellBeach · 06/04/2023 17:18

OP does your wife do the hovering to help you out?
Does she bath your child to help you out?

Hoovering, obviously.

Avarua2 · 06/04/2023 17:19

You all are being so rude. Exceptionally so. It's petulant.

ThunderDad · 06/04/2023 17:20

Fairislefandango · 06/04/2023 17:06

I aid feminism by supporting my wife. As in I support her to be able to live to her full potential.

And do you believe that a woman’s potential is, or should be, different from a man's? That women have a different role to fulfill in society?

That's an interesting question. I certainly think that to a certain extent it is inevitable that biology defines a woman's role in society in various respects. I believe in freedom of choice, that a woman should be able to choose. There are aspects of biology which limit choice, however. For example it is more difficult for a woman to have a child after 40 regardless of life choices. As to potential, I think that there are things that affect potential far more than one's gender. I, for example, do not have the potential to be a professional tennis player. However this has very little to do with me being male or female. There is far more variation of potential within each gender than there is between the average man and woman.

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TheShellBeach · 06/04/2023 17:21

Avarua2 · 06/04/2023 17:19

You all are being so rude. Exceptionally so. It's petulant.

Oh. His friend's turned up to scold us.

ThunderDad · 06/04/2023 17:23

TheShellBeach · 06/04/2023 17:18

OP does your wife do the hovering to help you out?
Does she bath your child to help you out?

My wife does all the cooking. I do most of the educational work with our child. I bring in the money, all of it. My wife tidies the house. I fix stuff and do the important admin. My wife breastfeeds which obviously I can't do. There is division of labour but we certainly don't divide each task and do half each. I don't think it would be productive if we did.

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Hoppinggreen · 06/04/2023 17:24

ThunderDad · 06/04/2023 17:00

OK Stephanie. Interesting opinion.

And so it begins

Fairislefandango · 06/04/2023 17:30

That's an interesting question. I certainly think that to a certain extent it is inevitable that biology defines a woman's role in society in various respects.

How does biology define the role in society of a woman who chooses not to have children? Or who cannot have children? Do you think that women should be stay-at-home mothers?

I realise that you started the thread to ask for views, but before women bother to explain their views on feminism to a man who claims to know little about it and yet claims to support it, I think it's reasonable for us to ask some questions to establish whether you are on the level and really interested in listening. The vibes I'm getting so far suggest not, I'm afraid.

Avarua2 · 06/04/2023 17:30

TheShellBeach · 06/04/2023 17:21

Oh. His friend's turned up to scold us.

Childish.

TheShellBeach · 06/04/2023 17:31

ThunderDad · 06/04/2023 17:23

My wife does all the cooking. I do most of the educational work with our child. I bring in the money, all of it. My wife tidies the house. I fix stuff and do the important admin. My wife breastfeeds which obviously I can't do. There is division of labour but we certainly don't divide each task and do half each. I don't think it would be productive if we did.

How odd.
My husband and I do all the household tasks between us. We shared parenting, too, including getting up at night. I was breastfeeding but he got up and changed the nappy, then settled the baby back to sleep.
We both worked.
I do the important admin and he does all the floors, washing up and making breakfast. He gets all the shopping. Does the bins and the garden. We do DIY together. He tidies up.
Every day.
He doesn't help me out; he does his fair and equal share.

Fairislefandango · 06/04/2023 17:33

Oh also, I'm wondering what you mean by allowing your wife to live to her full potential. From what you've said, it looks as if your idea of her full potential is being a mother and housekeeper. Is that her idea of her full potential too, or does she have other goals?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 06/04/2023 17:35

Avarua2 · 06/04/2023 17:19

You all are being so rude. Exceptionally so. It's petulant.

Ooh I haven’t been scolded for ages. I was starting to miss it

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