Genuine question: Male & Female segregation

[Fandangoes]

Why were toilets, changing rooms, sports, prisons etc segregated for men and women in the first place. What was the original logic for this happening?

Be gone. 😂

Bit ironic given how I was being lectured earlier in the thread how it's a public forum and people can post what and where they want.

I didn't really envisage having a discussion at the outset tbh. I just commented (perhaps a bit confrontationally I'll admit) that there's another forum specifically for these topics. I then explained my reasons as being tired of trans threads like many other people.

The discussion moved on and I was actually having a reasonably polite conversation with some of the posters. However, as expected, the usual crown defenders of all things feminist arrived and were totally unable to handle any critcicism of their religious ideology.

Yeah, be gone.

However, as expected, the usual crown defenders of all things feminist arrived and were totally unable to handle any critcicism of their religious ideology.

Criticising dick pandering from 'I'm not scared me, I'm so cool' types isn't being unable to handle dick panderers, it is responding to your words that you type that make women who have been stalked, assaulted, raped, or suffereed attempted murder and survived feel intense shame for being scared of men.

We are so far from women being safe from men that it is incomprehensible that women come onto the feminist board and try to shut down or shame women for knowing that men are a threat. But still you keep coming.

See this is where it gets all bolloxed.

Technically, under a very old, Henry VII , law, Welshman are prohibited from entering Chester before the sun rises and have to leave before the sun goes down. So, equally technically, it is legal to shoot a Welshman in Chester, in the dark, with a crossbow. There's a similar one about Scotsmen in York.

Laws like these, like carrying a a plank along a pavement (thanks Ronnie Barker for that memory) are real yet irrelevant to today.

Gender ideology is relevant today, because of the noise it's adherents make. And yet human beings changing sex, men being women, remains untrue, a lie!

totally unable to handle any critcicism of their religious ideology.

What? Like human beings can't change sex? Come talk to me, my dear. Physiologist. biomechanism. I can show you the error of your ways without referring to chromosomes even once! I can show you a simple experiment that proves nobody is fooled by such play acting!

THE ANSWER: Rape & sexual violence - Elizabeth Fry 1st woman to give evidence to a HOC select committee prior to sex segregation to protect women & girls from the predatory behaviour of men and boys, including professionals.

because Elizabeth Fry spent her whole life WORKING for it and we are now in 200th year since the law that fixed this concept in law for all of the then British Empire.

We are holding a year of events to CELEBRATE this IF anyone is interested?

I also have all the hard solid evidence that shows she is as right in 2023 and she was in 1823.

somebody could almost think you live in India rather than modern day UK

WTF?

I had a lot more to say but I didn't have time. I do have to say though, that I find it extremely alarming and upsetting when people assert that women shouldn't be worried or scared or men, minimising their experiences and dismissing their fears (usually carved out of first hand experience) and scoffing at women because they "don't live in countries where women are really oppressed*

I have so, so many experiences in my life of being made to feel pursued and scared by men. I had my first DC when I was 21 and have been on mat leave and then working from home for loads of my 20's, and I've still experienced so much despite being very introverted and insular. I have interests online that my partner has suggested I make content about but I can't because I'm too scared of gaining a following and being stalked like what has happened to several other well known women doing the same type of content in that area. I don't know a single woman my age who doesn't have stories like this to tell. Funnily enough my mum has the exact same type of stories to tell. Where exactly is this fantastic progress that has happened to make women feel actually safe?

If it was true that it was just perverts and criminals who perpetuated this kind of behaviour, I would agree with you and feel more positive. But actually so many people who have done the kind of stuff that has either hurt me or made me feel like they're going to hurt me are "normal" people.

I haven't been murdered but I've been assaulted and harassed and I'm not ashamed to say that my own experience coupled with statistics does make me fearful of being hurt. There's not only murder to think about and the point is, it's a culture that can I truly believe can be changed by feminism. There's also concerns about rights which are so important.

I think your perception and portrayal of feminists is so sad. It is in my opinion quite misogynistic again to portray women as "just" bitter, scared, angry etc. There are reasons to be scared and angry, unfortunately.

It's also shitty because when you come on to a feminist board to basically scoff at women for even being feminists because you feel safe so there's nothing to worry about, it can make women who have been abused feel like they've done something wrong in order for that to have happened to them.

Candlelight I hope you're okay, this is painful stuff you're living with; convos like this can really stir up feelings.

Thank you 🌸 I really appreciate that, I was just thinking internally that I will probably step away from this discussion now as it is as you said, stirring up feelings and I think I've added all I need to add

((Candlelight))

@candlelight it sure can stir stuff up and have female specific rape (& being beaten & strangled almost to death) trauma, never mind #MeToo #TooSoon & indecent assault in hospital. I think part of the reaction on the GC feminist side is actually a communal rape trauma. We are RIGHT to be afraid. I have the real stats in front of me ie 2016-22 MOJ and a bunch of FOIs and I am here to tell you that EVEN with transmen bundled in (most of the ONS figure is not sex disaggregated) it is higher than male. However, that doesnt actually help for female sex segregated spaces because the test they have to meet is AS LOW (or lower) than the sexual offending of the female population. The other thing I can hear, in responses from me to not over-inflate the statistics is "they havent listened so we have to make it look even worse than it is, in order to get them to listen.
The over-inflated calculations are unhelpful because it can lay those asserting the case for absolute sex segregation open to i) hysterical ii) transphobic and iii) not very good at Maths!
I have all the stats and am preparing a report for desks of every single MP before next election and I could sure use some help.
Photoshop
graphic design
website (I have one but it needs cheering up)
it also needs ecommerce so when the report is ready I can get it to everyone who wants one to give to people.

This is a very strange approach. You've formed a view, and now you're scraping around for evidence to back it up. Why not examine the evidence and then form your view?

You misunderstand; OP formed her views based on the evidence. She is asking for the evidence other people have used to form their views. 'Be Kind or be called transphobic' isn't evidence.

Thanks @Thelnebriati you are correct. I t was all the research that made me make my mind up about my views on the trans issues, and to be honest before that research I probably would have trotted out something along the ‘be kind’ line if anybody had asked me. My problem is that I get easily bamboozled by friends that argue against me. I was looking for ways to strengthen my argument.

I can give you cast iron arguments. I have just crunched ONS moj data correctly. Anyone fancy helping me get it on desk of every mp before the next election?

I’d be happy to help

Yep! I am sure many here would help; could point you in the direction of others who could do so too!

From my personal perspective, the message needs to be very easily readable and not in huge shouty text, and have the numbers you have used easily seen on whatever it is that goes to MPs.

So maybe a look at what the material is, and then get it sent out once it is in a format that is calm and evidenced.

Surely you can see why some people might get annoyed reading the same old threads and same old points even after a dedicated section was created

Nope, because I can scroll past. If I don't think a thread sounds interesting from its title, I don't open it. We had this with covid and Brexit, why can't people just scroll past? Nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you click on the title.

I did know about Elizabeth Fry when I was a kid but had forgotten her role and it was interesting to see it mentioned on this thread.