Genuine question: Male & Female segregation

[Fandangoes]

Why were toilets, changing rooms, sports, prisons etc segregated for men and women in the first place. What was the original logic for this happening?

How convenient. 😂

We both know that the Sex & Gender section was made to contain the trans threads. So does everyone else.

Why don't you just own it and admit that you're so convinced of your own righteousness that you're happy to force your diatribe on women who've repeatedly said they've had enough. It's a similar mentality to that of the more bonkers side of Christianity/veganism/etc.

I honestly think that if I had to choose between a Jehovas Witness and a gender warrior on my doorstep I'd be reading my copy of The Watchtower pretty sharpish. 😂

Well the one who cant drop the complaining about the post being in the wrong place here likes to complain about 'fatties' (direct quote) and defend a charity with dodgy safeguarding and risk assessments. So not much help to the feminist cause no

How many threads have you started in your moribund "no sex and gender references" section, Florence?

So not much help to the feminist cause no

I can quite imagine.

It doesn't even matter what I think. The majority of posters on here don't want to read all this back slapping Spartacus nonsense. That's why mumsnet created a space for it. It's largely a white middle class feminist concern and women who are struggling to feed/house their family, or facing any number of other issues, won't be wasting any energy worrying about meeting a transwoman in the toilet.

I don't know how anyone can drive a car to work daily yet still be many orders of magnitude more worried about encountering a man in a dress.

No. It is a false equivalence.

And a vile one.

In addition, the issue of women fighting to prioritise sex over gender, where sex matters encompasses far more than ‘toilets’. Hence they touch a very wide range of topics.

And how ridiculous to tell a person who has just come across this issue off for posting on the ‘wrong’ board whether that isn
here or AIBU. Maybe you notice that whenever a new thread starts in AIBU just how many are not FWR regulars who have an opinion. Because this is now a mainstream issue as well. Having leafleted in the street recently, the number of people who are not feminists yet are very well informed in this topic is remarkably high.

This is first and foremost a parenting site.

This issue touches on the lives of most UK parents of a school aged child in some way today. You cannot personally curate a public forum to suit yourself. How ridiculously entitled would you have to be to think that you even should?

You really are poorly informed if you continue to assert that this is a white, middle class feminist issue.

Unbelievably so.

It doesn't even matter what I think.

First thing you've said I agree with.

'Vile', 'misogynistic'....it's like hyperbole bingo in here tonight. 😂

Stop pretending you speak for women as a whole. GC feminists aren't even the majority of feminists, and feminism as a whole isn't something that most UK women are on board with nowadays. Study after study has shown this.

If a woman doesn't have the 'right' kind of views then she can generally expect worse treatment from feminist women than she can from men.

How well uninformed your posts continue to be.

More women are nearer to our views on single sex spaces than call themselves feminists. You might treat them with disdain, but it's the majority view in this country that women don't want males in their spaces unless they've had SRS.

Ah so you're actually anti-feminist. What a surprising development.

I think that anyone reading your posts here can safely say that you may label yourself as ‘gender critical’, and I know very few woman who prioritise sex over gender when it comes of the rights of women and girls that use that term anyway, but you seem to lack much understanding of what the term means by your posts.

I can believe you think ‘gender critical’ is anyone who believes sex is immutable. But it does not.

Being a feminist no longer solely means you focus on women's issues/rights. Much like how being a 'men's rights activist' doesn't mean you just focus on men's issues. It's become a culty group with an agenda.

Yes . It is clear Eresh.

That last sentence makes it abundantly clear.

I've never been raped by a feminism woman

I've never had a feminist woman boss trap me in a small room to describe in detail how they would like to rape me

I've never been sexually assaulted by a feminist woman

I've never been stalked by a feminist woman

I've never been flashed by a feminist woman

I've never been rubbed against in a club by a feminist woman

I've never caught a feminist woman having a wank in the kids section of a gift shop

I've never been called a frigid bitch by a feminist woman

I've never been in an abusive relationship with a feminist woman

And that's without all the low key day to day sexism that comes from working in a male dominated environment

So yeah, even if I came on here and said TWAW I still wouldnt be treated as badly as some men treat women

2 women on average are killed every week by men in domestic violence and somehow you are still claiming feminist women are the ones dishing out the worst treatment?! 🙄

Why do you think there is a move towards unisex toilets and changing rooms now? My swimming pool changing room is unisex and now my workplace toilets are unisex. I am so used to it now I don't ponder it other than I think it would be cleaner if female only.

I have read here that sex assault is more likely in unisex changing facilities and stats back that up. I have experienced the odd uncomfortable situation but not too bad.....yet.

Feminism is about centring female people of all ages, races and abilities etc to make any their life better. You cannot do that without ensuring that the rights and protections for female people are in place first.

You can't do that if you make "female/woman" a meaningless category including any male who claims to have a woman identity.

@Fandangoes it's also worthwhile to research the difference between male and female prisons.
there is a stark difference between the two institutions. different level of security and freedom as well as different types of criminality.
if you even do a quick 10 minute review you will quickly see why a male inmate might wish to claim he is female.

“Stop pretending you speak for women as a whole.”

Anyone knowing a smidgeon of feminist history would absolutely know that when some of the greatest gains for women and girls were made, there were women working against those who made those greatest right’s gains for women.

It is highly possible to work to secure rights and protections for all female people without those benefitting supporting the efforts of those doing it.

As I pointed out, when we campaign against self ID and for women only spaces we are speaking for the majority of women.

And yes, it is vile to leverage someone’s trauma the way you have.

That you are doing it on a feminist board is where the misogynistic part comes into it.

Because what kind of person leverages a collective group’s experience, female people, of trauma to silence those fighting to maintain that group’s protections the way you have on this thread?

I agree. It's very weird how gloaty and goady these supposedly empathetic, holier than thou, morally superior types are. How they will use DARVO tactics towards women they disagree with.