Amber Heard&Johnny Depp verdict

[Miscfeminista]

Continuation of previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Speculations on verdict, news related to it, insights into specifics of legal matters, opinions and impressions…let’s keep it going and see how verdict finds us >>>>>>>>>>

“And I hope that all victims of DV can get the help they need to get to safety.”

…but just not Amber, or women like Amber right-they can manage, we’ll send them our good wishes

Well it's probably best to go to the police and give a statement rather than selling your story to whoever will print it and then denying its about your exh for years only to say actually it was once you are sued for defamation

The majority of victims of dv are not going to be going down the same route as AH has

Aww, come on. We all know she didn't fit nicely into the Good Victim TM box.

And even good wishes would be a step up from death threats and "she's just ruined the #MeToo movement" and "She's just set REAL victims back..." 😞

In my opinion neither of them come out of this case well.
However, it's important that ALL victims of DV are allowed a voice. If men are calling their partners the names mentioned then maybe that should inform their partners/prospective partners as to the kind of person they are involved with. Some women can be every bit as expert in gaslighting, verbal and physical cruelty and general abuse as any man and it can actually be more difficult for a man to report to the authorities

what a waste of time and money

Not for Johnny Depp.

How is this damaging 'believe women'...

She was believed.
She was believed over and over, to the point of damaging someone elses career, boosting her own status, getting tons of attention for it..
She was believed despite never calling the police over it and giving a statement about it.

She was believed until it turned out she was a liar, who had no credible evidence to prove her story.

Surely that is how the law and justice works - we believe people until we have evidence that proves something one way or the other.

Do we honestly want a system where a particular group is believed because of one defining feature - without having to provide evidence, without anything at all?

False allegations can ruin lives every bit as much as rape and DV do - no one corrects those news articles, no one gets folks jobs back or can put back together relationships that have broken down as a result.

The message that 'we'll believe you no matter what, because you're female' gives people who have malicious intent a perfect vehicle with which to deliver it!

Surely this outcome, the right outcome I believe, makes it clear 'we'll believe you, and take you seriously, unless there is damning evidence that you're a liar'. In this case, that evidence existed.

Completely agree

I agree, this whole thing about just believing when someone says they've experienced trauma is nuts. Manipulative people make stuff up. Reminds me of Meghan. I'm a DV survivor and Amber Heard has done so much damage to women .

Hear hear

How can you ask this question seriously? It's damaged it precisely because any abusive prick and any of their enablers can now say "but but but AH" - and they are saying it, in droves on social media
And women will be cowed by it and Police will go back to their default "are you sure it wasn't just a tiff love?" bs.
Women will suffer and die because of this verdict. 100% guaranteed.

Meghan?? female and black... plenty enough reasons for some to hate.

Lets face it Depp is seen as a popular good time fun guy and Heard is the manipulative one... many DV victims don't go to the Police or even talk about their experiences, same as childhood abuse victims.
The stuff on SM about Heard has been unbelievable, no wonder folk don't step fwd.
A dear friend of mine, despite being smashed in the face with a mobile phone and held down in a bath, many neighbours took the partners side, Police took no action and even suggested she must have provoked him.

Depp lost his libel case in London
Judge Mr Justice Nicol said the Sun had proved what was in the article to be "substantially true"
He found 12 of the 14 alleged incidents of domestic violence had occurred

You mean like if she win her fans would be saying 'see he's an abuser' if she doesn't they will be screaming 'she's a victim, he's benefitted from the patriarchy, all his supporters are just love sick fans'. See, it happens both ways when people who were not there hold staunch opinions on things they know nothing about and vote with their bias and person experiences

I don’t think it was for JD

JDx statement was very moving

Try not to be taken in by abusers.

Just because people believe a man can be the victim of abuse, doesn't make them MRAs, nor does it make them less of a feminist. Feminism isn't simply believing AH because she's a woman.

You're terminally naive if you think sex is ever irrelevant in cases of IPV.

@Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious Everything you just said = MRA talking points.

1. I never said AH should be believed just because she's a woman. Nor that that belief is somehow part of feminism. You chose to caricature feminism.

1. I never said men cannot be victims of abuse. I know they can be. It's pure MRA manipulation to go to 'yOu DoN't tHiNk a MaN cAn bE aBuSed' but like. I have literally never once said that.

Tonto prefers to rely on the evidence.

I think both of them were abusive in the relationship, whether that’s physically hitting each other or trashing kitchens. That in itself is abusive. What has shocked me is the number of women on my social media swooning over Depp and celebrating this. As many others have said all this case has done is cause more problems for genuine abuse victims.

@Birdie746 There is loads of evidence of Depp being abusive.

I find the responses scary on here, more because of the amount of women who are completely disregarding the proven lies the Amber told and defending just because she's a women and she said something happened.
She lied repeatedly. There is irrefutable proof she lied. Yet there are people still defending her?
She is damaging to women everywhere. She is a very scary person.
I am not a johnny depp fan at all, but in this case I am glad she got found out for her lies.

The problem is that there was an actual recording of her admitting to hitting JD.
The evidence regarding JD was he was verbally abusive, and on drink and drug, and trashed kitchens. They were together for some years before marriage, which she claims were abusive, so why the marriage?
The article she wrote was after the divorce and her then award of (I think) 7 million, so was malicious in intent. (as found by the jury).
Both parties come across as unpleasant, but I sincerely hope that BOTH of them will be able to move on.