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Amber Heard&Johnny Depp verdict

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Miscfeminista · 31/05/2022 14:28

Continuation of previous thread

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Speculations on verdict, news related to it, insights into specifics of legal matters, opinions and impressions…let’s keep it going and see how verdict finds us >>>>>>>>>>

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MarshaBradyo · 02/06/2022 07:34

I don’t think she is damaging to women everywhere as she is just representing herself and JD is too for him rather than all men, but I do agree the issue around the credibility of her testimony was likely to be the reason for the verdict

Innocenta · 02/06/2022 07:43

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Innocenta · 02/06/2022 07:46

strawberry2017 · 02/06/2022 07:30

I find the responses scary on here, more because of the amount of women who are completely disregarding the proven lies the Amber told and defending just because she's a women and she said something happened.
She lied repeatedly. There is irrefutable proof she lied. Yet there are people still defending her?
She is damaging to women everywhere. She is a very scary person.
I am not a johnny depp fan at all, but in this case I am glad she got found out for her lies.

I haven't seen anyone doing that. But I sure do see a lot of MRAs who misrepresent women's responses, try to twist our words, and outright claim we've said things we haven't said. Hmm

IMO it's pretty scary that the 'justice' system can be utilised by male abusers to continue to abuse women.

Charlize43 · 02/06/2022 07:51

puffalo · 01/06/2022 23:03

JD’s reputation isn’t done for- he will be back on top in no time. He’s a talented actor who has grown a huge fanbase, especially with a younger audience, over the past few weeks. Actors with worse scandals have made comebacks- he definitely will, too.

However, there is a point I would like to make, regarding these JD/AH threads (some of which have been deleted). There are so many comments where posters say something along the lines of “they’re both as bad as each other, both of them are awful”, etc.

It seems to me that these posters are almost annoyed he “won” the lawsuit? I can’t imagine for a second if it was the other way round anyone would be saying that. The threads would be full of support for her, saying how she was a victim of such an awful man. No one would blame her for taking drugs, drinking excessively, etc.

Yes, he clearly suffers from substance abuse. Most actors/celebrities do- it kind of goes with the territory of being famous. The relationship was evidently toxic.

However, he absolutely did the right thing by bringing this to court. She obliterated his career with lies after lies after lies. He absolutely needed to clear his name for the sake of himself and his family.

She is an absolutely awful, evil woman. She used him for monetary gain and trailed his name through the mud when it didn’t work out for her. She lied repeatedly and made an absolutely mockery of DV victims across the globe. She promised she’d donate money to two different charities then kept it all for herself. She acted (badly) throughout the entire trial. There wasn’t a single point in the trial where I felt empathy or sympathy for her. No one came and supported her, other than her sister who didn’t even look like she wanted to be there.

None of this would have happened if they’d just divorced amicably and they both moved on. She kept going back for more and more- she wanted more fame, more sympathy, more money. She got greedy and it bit her on the arse.

The verdict today was fair. Her career being over is absolutely deserved.

I am a woman and I will always support women, but I refuse to support anyone who thinks it’s appropriate to lie about DV for their own gain. It’s absolutely disgusting. It doesn’t matter if you’re a woman or not.

I also don’t feel bad for her lawyers, either. They knew who they were taking on. Amber went through enough teams beforehand; there were plenty of red flags. They came hugely unprepared, and made mistakes I wouldn’t expect to see from someone who had just passed their bar exams. Objecting to your own question? Saying “I’m trying… I’m trying” in the middle of questioning? Constantly objecting like a broken record with absolutely no basis? Wasting hours and hours of time on absolute nonsense (ie asking a man about every single makeup product a woman might be wearing on her face?)

JD’s team were incredible. Very talented, professional but still managed to come across as likeable to the general public. Camille, Ben and the team did an astounding job and I hope this win brings them further success for the future. It was a masterclass.

^ This

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 02/06/2022 07:52

She wasn’t believe me by anyone, hd own witnesses advised against her, the multiple police, the psychologist, her friends all don’t not collaborate her claims.

I do think they were both toxic in many ways to each other, however it was her multiple lies that lost her the case.

Women simply shouldn’t be believed just because they claim abuse, if so my dad would be in prison, evidence is clearly needed like any other assault case.

My dads accuser made allegations of kidnap, rape and physical assault against him, he wasn’t even in the country when she claimed he did those vile things!

Our family we’re subjected to all sorts of hatefulness and public outlash, my dad being questioned by police officers for 2 days, accusing him of all sorts and leading her on etc… thankfully his lawyers, bosses and flight tickets proved her lies.

She went into accuse a teacher who lost his family and received a custodial sentence only for her best friend to come out 2 years later with evidence of her lies.

By that time he lost 3.5 years of his life with minimum evidence and missed out on so much of his children and wife. The public out lash he received was beyond awful as it went media wide.

Amber has done so much damage to DV, if you tell lies you’ll get burned, she herself brought this upon herself.

Innocenta · 02/06/2022 07:56

@HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend But Depp was abusive. No one is saying literally all women should always be believed, 100% of the time, forever, no exceptions.

MissStarry · 02/06/2022 07:59

toconclude · 02/06/2022 06:20

How can you ask this question seriously? It's damaged it precisely because any abusive prick and any of their enablers can now say "but but but AH" - and they are saying it, in droves on social media
And women will be cowed by it and Police will go back to their default "are you sure it wasn't just a tiff love?" bs.
Women will suffer and die because of this verdict. 100% guaranteed.

But this is a consequence that AH has contributed to by lying, manipulating, herself being abusive and then trying to destroy his career?

If she hadn’t done that, then the dog whistle of “AH!” being levelled at actual victims wouldn’t have any base in context.

So although the relationship sounds toxic and fuelled on drink/drugs with wrong on both sides, it’s not his fault that she has represented and conducted herself so poorly so as to become a mockery for DV allegations to the extent her name is used to imply the same characteristics as she displayed in innocent victims.

Dashdotdotdash · 02/06/2022 08:07

Miscfeminista · 01/06/2022 21:53

Gutted. Trash basically won. He bought his gross ass a ticket to get back in Hollywood by attacking his victim in front of everyone. "Justice served"! Fucking fuckers. Pay attention"ladies", this is what's waiting for you whether you think she lied or not. But I guess we already knew that.

None of that would have happened if AH hadn't been caught out lying again and again. Nothing to do with who had the better lawyer, nothing to do with the media publicity, It makes it incredibly difficult to believe virtually anything she says about this issue.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 02/06/2022 08:11

@HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend But Depp was abusive. No one is saying literally all women should always be believed, 100% of the time, forever, no exceptions.

I haven’t said Depp wasn’t abusive , however he wasn’t a wife beater nor a rapist to the extend Heard claimed him to be.

Depp was not the primary aggressor, Heard was and coupled with her multiple lies is why she lost, if she told the truth and didn’t exaggerate her truth and her legal team were competent then we would be seeing a completely different story unraveling.

Dashdotdotdash · 02/06/2022 08:13

HRTQueen · 01/06/2022 21:23

I expected this

not becuase I believe it’s the right decision but he had the better legal team and it’s become an absolute circus

there will be more to this he will go after her again

The best legal team in the world can't force someone to lie, let alone to lie so badly.

Innocenta · 02/06/2022 08:17

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Unsure33 · 02/06/2022 08:18

she lied over and over again and so did her sister . Women who accuse a man of rape and attempted murder ( because that is what she did in a public court) and then stand up as some kind of hero to women to suit their own agenda are dangerous to womens causes .

the only reason he failed on the uk case was she committed perjury about her donation.

I bet there are a lot of people who have sent disgusting texts or damaged things in the house when angry , but for anyone who actually watched the case , all of it , then that does not excuse accusations that could have put a man in jail for life .

it should not be about male and female . It should be about truth and trial by media

she has set the womens cause back herself . Not him.

Innocenta · 02/06/2022 08:19

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Unsure33 · 02/06/2022 08:21

@Innocenta

if you read the full statement by Jennifer Howell , Amber did cause him the injury and she did inflict violence on him and did abuse him verbally as well . Did you actually watch the whole trial ? She was an abuser .if she had not written the article he would not have had clear his name .

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 02/06/2022 08:24

Depp used the courts to further abuse AH, and it's profoundly unsavoury that you're celebrating his success in doing so.

So trying clearing his name is abuse 🤔Should he have just accepted her global destruction of him with no say in the matter?

Unsure33 · 02/06/2022 08:24

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So you are saying a woman can never abuse a man?
you are saying it’s ok for a woman to falsely accuse a man of rape ?
you are saying that we should assume that no woman can ever lie and men always lie?

cant you see how that sets womens rights back ?

AngelicaSchuylerAndHerSisters · 02/06/2022 08:26

Unfortunately Amber Heard was proven to have lied under oath both in Virginia and in London. That made her an unreliable witness which I’m sure is the main reason for the finding. I found them both to be awful. The relationship was obviously toxic with massive fault on both sides.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 02/06/2022 08:26

I have not once celebrated this case,!!!

Unsure33 · 02/06/2022 08:28

the reason I am angry is that her lies are insulting to genuine victims who do need help and belief .

and that can include men . Of course I know it’s mainly women the facts speak for them selves but she has set their cause back , not him.

Innocenta · 02/06/2022 08:28

Unsure33 · 02/06/2022 08:28

the reason I am angry is that her lies are insulting to genuine victims who do need help and belief .

and that can include men . Of course I know it’s mainly women the facts speak for them selves but she has set their cause back , not him.

She is a genuine victim.

Mygodicanteven · 02/06/2022 08:29

Jollyandbright · 01/06/2022 22:57

The thing is it’s not about whether you believe AH or JD
Its not about whether you like AH or JD
Its not about who you think is lying or abusive.

She made very damaging statements about him, it was clear they were about him.
Free speech isn’t about being able to say whatever the fuck you like without consequences.
If she was prepared to make those kind of accusations publicly, in one of the biggest newspapers in the USA, she should have had the evidence to back up her claims,
If you say something damaging without being able to prove what you say is true it’s defamation, that’s the law.

If she had any definitive proof he abused her physically or sexually we would have seen it.

She clearly proved he was verbally abusive, but she claimed he was physically and sexually abusive, which she couldn’t prove.
So the statements were defamatory.

This. Could not agree more.

Innocenta · 02/06/2022 08:30

So you are saying a woman can never abuse a man?
you are saying it’s ok for a woman to falsely accuse a man of rape ?
you are saying that we should assume that no woman can ever lie and men always lie?

cant you see how that sets womens rights back ?

More MRA talking points / things I never said. 🙄

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 02/06/2022 08:30

She is a genuine victim

yes she is, she is a victim of her own LIES!

Unsure33 · 02/06/2022 08:31

AngelicaSchuylerAndHerSisters · 02/06/2022 08:26

Unfortunately Amber Heard was proven to have lied under oath both in Virginia and in London. That made her an unreliable witness which I’m sure is the main reason for the finding. I found them both to be awful. The relationship was obviously toxic with massive fault on both sides.

Agreed. And the judge in the uk basically said it was because of her “donation” that his ruling went the way it did . So now we know that was perjury.

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