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Amber Heard&Johnny Depp verdict

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Miscfeminista · 31/05/2022 14:28

Continuation of previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Speculations on verdict, news related to it, insights into specifics of legal matters, opinions and impressions…let’s keep it going and see how verdict finds us >>>>>>>>>>

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Miscfeminista · 01/06/2022 22:07

All of this(latest tweets on AH)

twitter.com/DrJessTaylor

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Wordlecurdle · 01/06/2022 22:09

It’s hardly a surprise. No matter what people say here, or think about what they believe actually happened, AH and her lawyers made a right mess of themselves. She was a joke. Her lawyers were a joke.

and the reason why they were such a joke points more to themselves than it does to any notion of how women are treated more generally.

AdamRyan · 01/06/2022 22:16

I don't think so
I think an adversarial legal system coupled with "better that 10 guilty people go free than one innocent person found guilty" makes it extremely difficult to find men responsible for sexual/domestic abuse.

GuyFawkesDay · 01/06/2022 22:22

I know within the industry she has a reputation, and not a good one for being extremely difficult to work with.

JD the opposite.

Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors but there's no winners here. Both their reputations are done for.

Wordlecurdle · 01/06/2022 22:29

AdamRyan · 01/06/2022 22:16

I don't think so
I think an adversarial legal system coupled with "better that 10 guilty people go free than one innocent person found guilty" makes it extremely difficult to find men responsible for sexual/domestic abuse.

That could be said regardless of the “crime”

Fukuraptor · 01/06/2022 22:51

I hope the jury is right. Because if they are wrong, what she has been through is horrific both the abuse itself and reliving it in the public stockade.

In plain sight, in 2022. 😥

I believe her.

ArrrMeHearties · 01/06/2022 22:52

The jury reached the right decision. There was audio of heard admitting she hurt him and that's before you get to all the lies and inconsistent elements of her testimony

UrsulaPandress · 01/06/2022 22:54

agree no winners.

what a waste of time and money

cornflakedreams · 01/06/2022 22:56

Almost 100% of rapists walk the streets with impunity because juries are incapable of leaving their ingrained victim-blaming at the door, but sure this verdict is entirely reliable. What bull.

Jollyandbright · 01/06/2022 22:57

The thing is it’s not about whether you believe AH or JD
Its not about whether you like AH or JD
Its not about who you think is lying or abusive.

She made very damaging statements about him, it was clear they were about him.
Free speech isn’t about being able to say whatever the fuck you like without consequences.
If she was prepared to make those kind of accusations publicly, in one of the biggest newspapers in the USA, she should have had the evidence to back up her claims,
If you say something damaging without being able to prove what you say is true it’s defamation, that’s the law.

If she had any definitive proof he abused her physically or sexually we would have seen it.

She clearly proved he was verbally abusive, but she claimed he was physically and sexually abusive, which she couldn’t prove.
So the statements were defamatory.

puffalo · 01/06/2022 23:03

JD’s reputation isn’t done for- he will be back on top in no time. He’s a talented actor who has grown a huge fanbase, especially with a younger audience, over the past few weeks. Actors with worse scandals have made comebacks- he definitely will, too.

However, there is a point I would like to make, regarding these JD/AH threads (some of which have been deleted). There are so many comments where posters say something along the lines of “they’re both as bad as each other, both of them are awful”, etc.

It seems to me that these posters are almost annoyed he “won” the lawsuit? I can’t imagine for a second if it was the other way round anyone would be saying that. The threads would be full of support for her, saying how she was a victim of such an awful man. No one would blame her for taking drugs, drinking excessively, etc.

Yes, he clearly suffers from substance abuse. Most actors/celebrities do- it kind of goes with the territory of being famous. The relationship was evidently toxic.

However, he absolutely did the right thing by bringing this to court. She obliterated his career with lies after lies after lies. He absolutely needed to clear his name for the sake of himself and his family.

She is an absolutely awful, evil woman. She used him for monetary gain and trailed his name through the mud when it didn’t work out for her. She lied repeatedly and made an absolutely mockery of DV victims across the globe. She promised she’d donate money to two different charities then kept it all for herself. She acted (badly) throughout the entire trial. There wasn’t a single point in the trial where I felt empathy or sympathy for her. No one came and supported her, other than her sister who didn’t even look like she wanted to be there.

None of this would have happened if they’d just divorced amicably and they both moved on. She kept going back for more and more- she wanted more fame, more sympathy, more money. She got greedy and it bit her on the arse.

The verdict today was fair. Her career being over is absolutely deserved.

I am a woman and I will always support women, but I refuse to support anyone who thinks it’s appropriate to lie about DV for their own gain. It’s absolutely disgusting. It doesn’t matter if you’re a woman or not.

I also don’t feel bad for her lawyers, either. They knew who they were taking on. Amber went through enough teams beforehand; there were plenty of red flags. They came hugely unprepared, and made mistakes I wouldn’t expect to see from someone who had just passed their bar exams. Objecting to your own question? Saying “I’m trying… I’m trying” in the middle of questioning? Constantly objecting like a broken record with absolutely no basis? Wasting hours and hours of time on absolute nonsense (ie asking a man about every single makeup product a woman might be wearing on her face?)

JD’s team were incredible. Very talented, professional but still managed to come across as likeable to the general public. Camille, Ben and the team did an astounding job and I hope this win brings them further success for the future. It was a masterclass.

GatoradeMeBitch · 01/06/2022 23:09

It's very strange to read comments like puffalo's in the feminism board. Her abuse claims were proven. This case was about whether she has the right to talk about her abuse and her abuser in public, turns out she does not.

And people like you sat through the trail and listened to pieces of evidence like "I headbutted her, but I didn't break her nose", and "I'll rape her corpse", and all you can do is melt in your knickers that plucky Jack Sparrow got away again.

Innocenta · 01/06/2022 23:26

@puffalo Care to share any insights on OJ Simpson?

puffalo · 01/06/2022 23:27

GatoradeMeBitch · 01/06/2022 23:09

It's very strange to read comments like puffalo's in the feminism board. Her abuse claims were proven. This case was about whether she has the right to talk about her abuse and her abuser in public, turns out she does not.

And people like you sat through the trail and listened to pieces of evidence like "I headbutted her, but I didn't break her nose", and "I'll rape her corpse", and all you can do is melt in your knickers that plucky Jack Sparrow got away again.

Feminism relates to equality of the sexes. Not supporting women who make a mockery of DV victims to fill their pockets and get more fame.

You can absolutely be a feminist while still holding my views about her. Perhaps if she told the truth in the first place and didn’t lie about things that could easily be proven as lies, followed up her “attacks” with police statements and medical visits, wasn’t recorded being, and admitting to being abusive to him, writing articles to actively ruin his career and leaking photoshopped images to the press, promise to donate millions of pounds to charity then keep it for herself for months and months on end, go through 6 legal teams before trial, was likeable enough within the industry that people other than her sister would come to support her, you’d have a point.

I will not be an ally to someone like her. This was the correct verdict. The only real emotion I saw from her over the entire trial was when the verdict was being read; that was when I saw genuine sadness.

colouringindoors · 01/06/2022 23:28

It's very strange to read comments like puffalo's in the feminism board. Her abuse claims were proven. This case was about whether she has the right to talk about her abuse and her abuser in public, turns out she does not.

Exactly.

TimeTravelSickness · 01/06/2022 23:30

GatoradeMeBitch · 01/06/2022 23:09

It's very strange to read comments like puffalo's in the feminism board. Her abuse claims were proven. This case was about whether she has the right to talk about her abuse and her abuser in public, turns out she does not.

And people like you sat through the trail and listened to pieces of evidence like "I headbutted her, but I didn't break her nose", and "I'll rape her corpse", and all you can do is melt in your knickers that plucky Jack Sparrow got away again.

All of this.

puffalo · 01/06/2022 23:34

Innocenta · 01/06/2022 23:26

@puffalo Care to share any insights on OJ Simpson?

I’d be much more interested in sharing insights on a case that happened locally to me several years ago.

Woman claimed she had been raped in a local park close to a university which caused huge alarm and concern in the area. Man in question was charged. However, she later admitted she had made the entire story up and what had actually happened was she had consensual sex with two different men on the alleged night. He was released, she was sentenced to 18 months in prison.

But yes, we should believe all women and let an innocent man rot in jail and have his life ruined because women. This stuff happens more than we think. Every victim deserves to have their cases investigated, properly, regardless on whether they’re male or female.

RoseslnTheHospital · 01/06/2022 23:36

You realise @puffalo you are promoting and supporting the misogynist idea that if one woman lies, all women are likely liars. The idea that one lying woman represents all of womankind, whereas one lying man is hardly worth even mentioning. And certainly doesn't mean that all men are to be treated as likely liars.

Innocenta · 01/06/2022 23:38

A lazy equivalency between male and female victims ignores the realities of VAWG and of the 'justice' system. We can acknowledge those realities without denying male victims exist. @puffalo Your take is just such a bad one.

IrisVersicolor · 01/06/2022 23:39

ArrrMeHearties · 01/06/2022 22:52

The jury reached the right decision. There was audio of heard admitting she hurt him and that's before you get to all the lies and inconsistent elements of her testimony

Please tell me that you understand that some women fight back in abusive relationships?

Agrudge · 01/06/2022 23:39

@puffalo

Feminism relates to equality of the sexes

it used to. Maybe this is why less woman identify as a feminist

puffalo · 01/06/2022 23:40

RoseslnTheHospital · 01/06/2022 23:36

You realise @puffalo you are promoting and supporting the misogynist idea that if one woman lies, all women are likely liars. The idea that one lying woman represents all of womankind, whereas one lying man is hardly worth even mentioning. And certainly doesn't mean that all men are to be treated as likely liars.

No, I’d say what I’m promoting on this thread is the fact some “feminists” seem to believe that if a woman accuses a man of DV, then the man absolutely committed the crime. I mean, that’s exactly what happened. She came out with her claims and no one wanted to work with him again.

If she had told the truth, the outcome could have been very different. But she embellished her story to the point where most people, including the jury, didn’t see it as believable.

Libertaire · 01/06/2022 23:42

So, they both lost and they are both appalling, toxic human beings. Heard lost by a bit more than Depp lost, but he still lost.

And the lawyers won, in a very big way. Good for them. They deserve every cent for having to deal with such obnoxious clients.💰💰💰💰

Sounds like a pretty fair result all round to me. 👏👏👏

Tinktravels · 01/06/2022 23:43

The evidence was behind Johnny.
I think the verdict was perfect.

bluebell34567 · 01/06/2022 23:44

StooOrangeyForCrows · 01/06/2022 20:50

What a crock of shit. The personal assistant of JD should have been forced to disclose the content of the text sent to AH regarding the boot in the back incident. She would have won had this happened.

She was definitely abused by JD.

agree.

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