Amber Heard&Johnny Depp verdict

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Continuation of previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552076-amber-heardjohnny-depp-trial?page=36&reply=117586863

Speculations on verdict, news related to it, insights into specifics of legal matters, opinions and impressions…let’s keep it going and see how verdict finds us >>>>>>>>>>

I'm glad the truth has come out, some of us have been in real abusive relationships and could see her lies a mile off...

verdict is out. they defamed each other, he won 15 million USD and she won on one counterclaim only - 2 million. so she owes him 13 but she can appeal.
Regardless wish him the absolute worst, thankfully he's senior

Idc what people think as per usual, I heard the audios. he's awful lol

will the UK verdict be reconsidered? Will she face a perjury charge? Or will she always talk about 'winning' the UK trial?

What a crock of shit. The personal assistant of JD should have been forced to disclose the content of the text sent to AH regarding the boot in the back incident. She would have won had this happened.

She was definitely abused by JD.

The audio where she says she hit him?

They heard it we ALL heard it

He is loathsome scum. He has got away with treating AH in the most disgusting way but this is yet more of him being brownnosed around FFS!

If saying “I am a victim of domestic abuse” can cost you $13million, what does that mean for other women’s ability to talk about abuse they have suffered but may not be able to prove…

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I agree. That was her real smoking gun IMO.

He hasn't won the full $15 million that the jury awarded, I think punitive damaged are capped in Virginia so it's whatever the compensatory award was plus $350,000.

Exactly.

I am disgusted.

No the UK verdict won't and cannot be reconsidered. Depp has already been refused leave to appeal, and this verdict wouldn't be considered to have made any material change to the original evidence that was covered in the UK.

Heard won't be charged with perjury in the UK. It was a civil case and even if it could be definitively proven that she actively lied to the UK judge it would only be perjury if what she said in evidence was critical to the judge's decision. The judge's summary in the UK already made it clear that Heard's witness testimony was not the sole reason for any of the conclusions that he came to in each of the points he found in Heard's favour.

When she told proven lies it became hard to believe anything she said.

Agreed, and also the English High Court’s decision is far, far more reliable than this American one. The trial was a circus and the jury couldn’t even fill in the form. Compare that with the very detailed judgment from Mr Justice Nicol in finding against Depp.

I cannot imagine why anyone thinks the verdict means the previous decision was wrong.

I'm so confused
It looks like the jury said she wasn't abused but also it was a lie to say the abuse was a hoax
Have to admit, I didn't see a scenario where they both won

Such a great outcome! Justice prevails

I expected this

not becuase I believe it’s the right decision but he had the better legal team and it’s become an absolute circus

there will be more to this he will go after her again

Good. It was obvious from what I've seen she just wasn't credible. And why you shouldn't just believe someone.

The trial was a circus and the jury couldn’t even fill in the form. Compare that with the very detailed judgment from Mr Justice Nicol in finding against Depp.

Form aside, juries are not tasked with detailed reasoning, that is not their remit.

Any jury trial will just give verdict.

I know, the jury aren’t to be blamed for not giving reasons but it does make it hard to assess the veracity of their decision. Not so in England.

I also really can’t see how the jury wouldn’t have even influenced by the very significant media surrounding this trial. Again, not a criticism of them, but it’s another reason I think the verdict is less reliable.

This^

had she told the truth instead of trying to embellish it for more attention she would have been believed.

i suffered the kind of abuse she claimed, my ex was in a senior position, he was powerful, charismatic, attractive and well liked,
at first I believed her, as stuff came out I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt, but it’s clear now she was lying.

when I was being abused even when I had bruises nobody believed he had done it,
I had videos of him abusing me and people didn’t believe me, I must have set it up, I must have pushed him to the absolute brink.

I really wanted to believe her.

i completely believe he was a terrible husband, an alcoholic drug addict who was volatile and verbally abusive, I believe that their marriage was ridiculously toxic, but I do not believe he abused her physically.

i believe she has damaged the reputation of DV victims everywhere and we will be believed even less because of her.

I think because every jury trial is the same, ie you just get the verdict from the jury, in the U.K. too usually, and no reasoning then you kind of accept jury trial verdicts as a reasonable process or not. Not just for this but all trials.

Plus media can be big in any trial so again the system works to exclude that in those cases too or not.

I don’t think either of those things undermine the verdict but if they do then it’s not possible for other high profile cases to deliver verdicts.

But this is representative of the whole issue around male violence and women in both the US and the UK. Amber Heard represents all women in the eyes of misogynistic men/society so her failings are applicable to all women. If a man loses a libel case it reflects only on him, nobody would dream of saying that it would be detrimental to other men bringing libel cases. The issue is with misogyny in society, not with one individual person.

Gutted. Trash basically won. He bought his gross ass a ticket to get back in Hollywood by attacking his victim in front of everyone. "Justice served"! Fucking fuckers. Pay attention"ladies", this is what's waiting for you whether you think she lied or not. But I guess we already knew that.

"Amber Heard said that the “disappointment I feel today is beyond words,” in her first public reaction to a jury’s verdict finding her liable for defaming ex-husband Johnny Depp in an op ed in The Washington Post.

Heard left the courtroom after the verdict was read, with her attorneys following behind. She stared down as the verdicts were read, but did look at the jurors as they were polled afterward.

“I’m heartbroken that the mountain of evidence still was not enough to stand up to the disproportionate power, influence, and sway of my ex-husband,” Heard said in the statement.

“I’m even more disappointed with what this verdict means for other women. It is a setback. It sets back the clock to a time when a woman who spoke up and spoke out could be publicly shamed and humiliated. It sets back the idea that violence against women is to be taken seriously.

“I believe Johnny’s attorneys succeeded in getting the jury to overlook the key issue of Freedom of Speech and ignore evidence that was so conclusive that we won in the UK.

“I’m sad I lost this case. But I am sadder still that I seem to have lost a right I thought I had as an American – to speak freely and openly.”