I'm Nigerian. I'm livid. We don't consent to this. [Warning - contains details of child sex abuse]

[Mysterioso]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10732351/Girl-10-gang-raped-classmates-filmed-attack-trip-World-School-Games.html

The school suspended a 10 year old girl for improper behaviour when confronted with the video of her gang rape.

Shame on them.
Shame on all those who distributed or watched that video.
Shame on the adults who even attempt to look for signs of how "willing" that child was.
Shame on a system which enabled a school to think they could make this "story" go away.

My entire country needs to come out of this with a completely different perspective on girls bodies. I don't hold out much hope... the change seems to only happen by tiny shifts.

I'm livid that all I can do is type on the Internet. I want to scream.

[Title edited by MNHQ to include trigger warning]

She said she hasn't watched the video

Just to make clear, you don't need to have seen the video to know what's being said about it. Just like no one on this thread, or even the Daily Mail I would assume have seen the video before concluding it is rape.

And no, it is not victim shaming. All parties need help, therapy, counselling, whatever.

This is just so so sad. No 10 year old should even know about this stuff. There are major safeguarding issues here both in the background of which ever child initiated and the fact that the children were able to mix floors that suggests anyone could have gained access.

the fact this was shared on the internet also shows there is so much wrong with our global society.

This is just tragic and which ever of the children weren’t abused or traumatized prior to the event have been now.

I will not stand for it.

It's always the girls asking for it.
The girls who were too mature.
The girls who will be suspended first until there's more information to implicate the others.

I have no interest in the derail of which child suffered the rape or is accused of the rape.

This is not about legalities. It is about attitude to girls.

If I send my child to a school activity I expect there to be safe guarding and not potential for the school to excuse rape.

Adults should not be studying rape videos to justify their own failings.

I've had enough.

@Mysterioso but no one has said "it's always the girls asking for it " .

We are only talking about this case and yes, as much as we are all about advocating for the girl child, we have to treat each case on it's own merit.
That includes being objective about cases, because otherwise none of the parties would get the help that they deserve.

Its not "my definition". Its the definition in the legislation. The law states that boys cannot be raped, only sexually assaulted. Therefore only the girl can be a victim of rape.

Factually, rather than legally, there is evidence that the mother believes her daughter did not consent and was therefor raped. Presumably she has the most access to the girl's feelings about the incident.

Then there is the filming without consent. Why anyone who does not involved in child protection or prosecution services should watch this for reasons other than voyeurism is unclear.

There is something deeply suspicious about adults trying so very hard to insist that children behave sexually and use their childlike allure to entice people into having sex with them. Its rarely true and on the rare occasions where the facts seem to support such an interpretation, its usually because of some earlier facts that come to light causing the child to act in an unusual or unnatural way e.g. with false bravado or to impress someone who has groomed them. In which case there is no consent aside from the fact that a child cannot consent anyway.

Are you saying that you downloaded a video of children having sex?

Are you in the UK?

Give me a break.
Let's be objective about 10 year old having sex.
Definitely let's analyse it case by case to make sure no one will ever falsely accuse our sons of rape.

Let's not pretend we don't know what's motivating scrutinising what's happened to this girl.

And I am focusing on the girl because she is the one who was punished first when word got out.

I'm sorry. I believed @Cantstandbullshit when she said she hadn't watched the video and then she said she had.

So I don't think we can really believe anything she says.

This is horrible and I'm sickened by the whole thing

I don't agree with and am not defending Cantstandbullshit but that looks like a typo I think they said they haven't watched it but also don't trust the authorities who are responsible for watching it.

Agree with this.

Objectivity is the key

That's how I read it too.

I thought this too

which is important as it is a crime I think (here anyway)

Its certainly ambiguous.

Watching a video of children having sex is a crime in the UK.
Downloading onto your phone would be a crime.

Oh phew.

I mean its not ambiguous that its a crime in the UK to download a video of children having sex. It appears to be ambiguous what the poster said as she admits to having done it but it may be a typo.

And I am focusing on the girl because she is the one who was punished first when word got out.

They were all suspended.
This was fine until the mum found out about the video and believes it shows her not consenting.

There is a massive issue with rape towards girls and women and hopefully this going public will make the case go to court so they can review the video to see whether it was forced on her or not.

In an earlier post, they said they had watched it. That's what I was trying to clarify because that's a horrendous typo to have made.

She was punished because she apparently breached the school rules and went to the boys' room after lights out, when she clearly should not have. She was said to be the only girl in the room.

I'm not sure what you think is motivating the scrutinising but I'll leave that to your thoughts.

And yes, let's be factual and let's take cases on their merit because I have a boy and would not want him 'falsely accused' for an act because someone wants to defend every girl child.

Let's fight for a girl, but when that girl has not had any wrong committed against her, then let's say the truth as it is @Mysterioso .

Anyway believe what you will. The main crux is that both parties need help. Whoever has exposed the children yo these acts or groomed them should be brought to the book.

She was 10 years old a d you say it wasn't rape? Can you please explain how?

And yes, let's be factual and let's take cases on their merit because I have a boy and would not want him 'falsely accused' for an act because someone wants to defend every girl child.

This is the feminism board right? Where we don't automatically think women and girls are liars.

Let's fight for a girl, but when that girl has not had any wrong committed against her, then let's say the truth as it is @Mysterioso .

She had sex on a school trip at the age on 10 and you have found a way of believing this is OK? That no wrong has been committed against her?

Keep your truth and your facts and your objectivity.
I'll happily lead in the role of lying, hysterical witch whilst screaming about the child who has been wronged.

The 2 things worrying and sickening me are that a 10 year old girl knows how to have and sex and that the age of consent in Nigeria is 11. That poor girl must have been subjected to sexual abuse to initiate it , if that's what she did. How can a country have the age of consent of 11? 11 ffs , no child should be having sex that age legal or not it's just wrong.

I won't be going back and forth on this so this will be my final take .

This was your opening sentence @Mysterioso The school suspended a 10 year old girl for improper behaviour when confronted with the video of her gang rape.

First, the article mentions that all those involved were suspended, not just the girl.

Secondly, did a sexual act occur? - yes
Should it have happened - 100% no
Was it rape - doesn't seem to have been rape against the girl. If by definition, 2 underage having sex is statutory rape, then it would seem that both the boys and girl were raped.
Have I said this was okay? - No

Unfortunately, this particular case is not just about the girl. It is about the boys and the girl. How and why were they doing this in the first place?. That needs looking into as this act suggests some form of sexual abuse.

Hopefully that answers your question as well @Clymene.