www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10732351/Girl-10-gang-raped-classmates-filmed-attack-trip-World-School-Games.html
The school suspended a 10 year old girl for improper behaviour when confronted with the video of her gang rape.
Shame on them.
Shame on all those who distributed or watched that video.
Shame on the adults who even attempt to look for signs of how "willing" that child was.
Shame on a system which enabled a school to think they could make this "story" go away.
My entire country needs to come out of this with a completely different perspective on girls bodies. I don't hold out much hope... the change seems to only happen by tiny shifts.
I'm livid that all I can do is type on the Internet. I want to scream.
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Mysterioso · 29/04/2022 17:04
azimuth299 · 29/04/2022 17:57
Of course it's rape, if the poor child is only ten years old. She can't consent, she isn't old enough. She has been raped.
Obviously I wouldn't watch the video, but if she's telling the boys what to do then that suggests that she has been abused before!
That doesn't mean that I think that we should put ten year old boys in prison, of course not. But that doesn't mean that the poor girl isn't a rape victim!
azimuth299 · 29/04/2022 18:02
Again how can it be rape when the girl initiated sex with boys her own age? Is this simply because they are boys and she is a girl therefore they must have forced her?
Rape is penetration without consent. The child isn't old enough to consent, so consent is absent. Therefore it's rape.
I understand that you're thinking about a classic rape scenario where someone is physically pinned down by a stranger and can't fight them off, but that isn't the only type of rape. Somebody might look like they are willingly engaging but they have been threatened, or they might be frightened of the person because of a previous encounter, or they might be too young to give consent, or they might be too drunk to give consent.
I mean if a child was, say, five years old and appeared to initiate, would you say that that was fine?
azimuth299 · 29/04/2022 18:05
@Cantstandbullshit I haven't watched the video but rape requires penetration, so unless she penetrated the boys she didn't rape them.
I agree that the focus should be on therapy for all of the children involved, but denying the fact that the girl was raped doesn't help anyone.
Cantstandbullshit · 29/04/2022 18:16
Your logic means only girls can be raped which is so flawed and wrong. By your logic boys can only be raped if penetrated which means boys can only be raped if raped by a man. You see the flaw in your logic?
boys and girls can be raped simple so using who penetrated as the yardstick is wrong and sexist.
azimuth299 · 29/04/2022 18:05
@Cantstandbullshit I haven't watched the video but rape requires penetration, so unless she penetrated the boys she didn't rape them.
I agree that the focus should be on therapy for all of the children involved, but denying the fact that the girl was raped doesn't help anyone.
itsgettingweird · 29/04/2022 18:19
Cantstandbullshit I agree with the sentiment of a lot of what your saying and can see the POV you're putting forward.
However as I understand (from my lawyer friend) the definition of rape of a penis penetrating the vagina without consent.
Males can rape females. Females commit sexual assault. (Although the rights and wrongs of this is another debate!)
What I'd definitely not up for,discussion is that there are serious safeguarding concerns for not only this girl but the boys. How does a 10yo girl know how to direct 10yo boys to have sex and how do 10yo boys not have the capacity to know this is entirely inappropriate and refuse?
azimuth299 · 29/04/2022 18:21
Your logic means only girls can be raped which is so flawed and wrong. By your logic boys can only be raped if penetrated which means boys can only be raped if raped by a man. You see the flaw in your logic?
boys and girls can be raped simple so using who penetrated as the yardstick is wrong and sexist.
It's not my logic, it's the Sexual Offences Act 2003. The penetration doesn't need to be by a penis, so no, boys can be raped by men or women.
azimuth299 · 29/04/2022 18:27
So how does it work if a woman overpowers a man and raped him? The man is still the person penetrating right? So does that mean he is still the perpetrator or the victim?
Secondly consent is a key part here and I don’t see any legal way to say the girl did not give consent and the boys forced her based on what happened so I disagree it is rape.
If a woman overpowers a man and has sex with him then she is committing a sexual assault. He isn't committing a crime as she has consented.
A child can't consent to sexual activity. I've asked you several times now, but what age do you think a child is able to consent from? A five year old, for example?
azimuth299 · 29/04/2022 18:27
So how does it work if a woman overpowers a man and raped him? The man is still the person penetrating right? So does that mean he is still the perpetrator or the victim?
Secondly consent is a key part here and I don’t see any legal way to say the girl did not give consent and the boys forced her based on what happened so I disagree it is rape.
If a woman overpowers a man and has sex with him then she is committing a sexual assault. He isn't committing a crime as she has consented.
A child can't consent to sexual activity. I've asked you several times now, but what age do you think a child is able to consent from? A five year old, for example?
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