I'm Nigerian. I'm livid. We don't consent to this. [Warning - contains details of child sex abuse]

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10732351/Girl-10-gang-raped-classmates-filmed-attack-trip-World-School-Games.html

The school suspended a 10 year old girl for improper behaviour when confronted with the video of her gang rape.

Shame on them.
Shame on all those who distributed or watched that video.
Shame on the adults who even attempt to look for signs of how "willing" that child was.
Shame on a system which enabled a school to think they could make this "story" go away.

My entire country needs to come out of this with a completely different perspective on girls bodies. I don't hold out much hope... the change seems to only happen by tiny shifts.

I'm livid that all I can do is type on the Internet. I want to scream.

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Yes it does hence why I did it watch it, and leave it to authorities to watch it as they need to ascertain what happened rather than conclude it is rape and the firm must be the victim simply because she is a girl.

Unfortunately I don’t have much faith internet be authorities in Nigeria hence why I fear they may not get the help they need.

The girl cannot give consent simply because she was 10. It’s as simple as that.

So that goes for the boys too.

Will they charge the boys with rape and her with sexual assault? Because, if what I'm reading is correct and it was not a forced action against the will of either child involved, you can't charge one party and not the other.

Again it cannot be statutory rape if both parties are underage which means none of them can legally give consent. Rape means one party is able to give consent and the other isn’t.

your definition means the big is automatically guilty and she is only a victim simply because she is a girl.

I agree. The filming was apparently done by some other 10 year old boys. No idea how it got to social media.

Didn't watch but it is never a child's fault they are raped. I share your anger.

Girls cannot force boys to rape them @Cantstandbullshit

I'm really not sure why this needs to be spelled out

no I am not victim shaming because my point is all the kids involved are victims and need help. Declaring it rape means the boys were wrong and guilty and the girl a victim simply because she is a girl.

Yes the mother raised the issue first that the girl was raped and then the video surfaced and information came out that she actually was the one intitiating and the mother has not refuted that claim since the video came out.

You have only read the daily mail and immediately accuse me of victim shaming but there is a lot more information out there now than what the dailymail reported. This has been a very huge public issue in Nigeria so I am working with a lot more information than what the daily mail article reported.

so no I am not victim shaming, I am against declaring it rape because that is saying the boys are guilty when we should be trying to hell all the minors involved boy or girl.

@Cantstandbullshit in the UK

Statutory rape is when one or both of the parties engaging in sexual activity are below the age of consent.

It is still rape if both parties are under age in the UK.

It would seem to be the case that Nigeria has similar laws but I would stand to be corrected on that.

Sex outside of marriage is no longer illegal in Dubai. It would have been rape in Dubai because she's under 14. Age of consent is (I think 18) but sex with an under 14 year old is rape. And men can be raped but only by other men. No idea how they'd deal with the fact that everyone was 10.

I have no idea why people quoting UK law here when it didn’t happen in the UK.
Terrible story.

Absolutely this. Some vile victim blaming horseshit going on here by what I assume to be a man.
Of course it's rape, she is 10 FFS

And the age of consent in Nigeria is 11?! That's outrageous! How can an 11 year old even understand what they are doing?

Do you think she should also be charged for sexual assault?

www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/rsa/rape-and-sexual-assault/what-is-rape-and-sexual-assault/

What the hell are you on about? A child of 10 is under the age of consent, therefore even if she was ‘willing’ she cannot consent and it amounts to statutory rape or worse. Your comment is horrible. Educate yourself.

Actually looking at it, if it is an object other than a penis then it falls under a different category. So yes, you need a penis to rape. If you do it with a digit or object it is assault by penetration.

Yes. I've posted a great explanation in the link above.

But yes, only a man can legally commit rape because the legal definition is penetration by a penis.

A woman and man can commit the crime of assault by penetration using an object in the mouth, anus or vagina.

Whether there should be a more broader definition of rape that is alongside sexual assault - or forced sexual intercourse against the will or without consent is a different topic and you'd hope something the authorities have researched and considered extensively.

But with regards with case the boys could be accused of rape if they are deemed to have penetrated the young girl without consent if it's deemed despite initiating it she couldn't give consent and the girl could be accused of sexual assault for instigating sexual intercourse using the same consideration about age and consent.

But I think in conclusion we can all agree that these children need extensive support and therapy because to have taken part in this sexual act at such a young age it raises serious questions about their previous exposure to sexual acts and serious concerns about their abilities to safeguard themselves and others.

I wonder if it is relevant - demonstrated that the other Nigerian person on this thread does not categorise what happened as rape ?

English law is not relevant. The situation happened in Dubai. The children involved were apparently all 10 years old and it seems from this thread the girl was showing a boy what to do and other boys were filming it and they were all out of bounds in breach of school rules at night rather than in bed and despite the schooling having boys on one floor and girls on another the 10 year olds were mixing. I don't know what the sex act was that happened. In England rape was a specific definition and there are also other sexual offences but that is irrelevant.

The other issue is if any sharing of the video happened in Nigeria and if so by whom and that sounds likely to be a separate offence. In the UK 10 year olds can commit crimes but not 9 year olds (which is why some people encourage their under 10s to throw stones etc as they are free of the criminal law until 10). However Nigeria and Dubai will have their own laws.

So please Explain how the 10 year old boy was able to consent of the 10 year old girl is unable to consent. They are both underage so neither party could have consented hence it is not rape.

And as I said this happed a few weeks ago even and lots of j formation has been released Aj CME which suggests the girl was the one who initiated the sex so claiming it is rape simply because a girl was involved is wrong.

both parties are underage and the focus is on getting when the help they need and also trying to figure out the root cause, where did they learn this and what led to this happening. Defining it rape is saying the boy is guilty and the perpetrators while the girl must be a victim simply beside she is a female.

This happened a few weeks ago not a few days ago when the daily mail reported it so lots of more information has come to light since it came to the public.

For the final time I am done arguing. Arguing if it is rape or not is futile so no point. And as I’ve said the focus should be in getting all parties the help they need and getting to root cause of what this happened.

It seems from one poster on this thread that the girl was doing that. The article and her mother say she was gang raped.

Any adult watching that video is guilty of downloading and watching images of child sexual abuse, sometimes referred to as child pornography. That is a crime.

Exactly. This is what it was trying to get in my question to cantstandbullshit. I wouldn’t be taking the word of people prepared to commit this crime.

So please Explain how the 10 year old boy was able to consent of the 10 year old girl is unable to consent. They are both underage so neither party could have consented hence it is not rape.

None of them can consent as they’re all under the age of consent so I don’t think any of them will get into serious trouble.

In the UK you can only be charged with rape if someone is penetrated although there is an argument that this needs to be changed.

If she initiated sex with a 10 year old boy then in theory she would be the one in trouble for sexual assault but as they were all the same age she won’t be.

However her mum has claimed that the sex wasn’t consensual which would obviously change things but I don’t know how they would charge anyone if a 10 year old can’t consent as the boys are the same age.
I guess it would depend on what he circumstances as some people are sentenced as an adult in serious cases so if it was a gang rape they could be sentenced as over the age of consent.

@Cantstandbullshit just to clarify - not only are you victim blaming but you're admitting you watched a video of child abuse? ffs.

I am Nigerian as well and have to agree with @Cantstandbullshit .

There has been huge outrage in Nigeria regarding this and reports are that the girl herself initiated the whole thing, hence the only girl in a room of boys.

Not excusing the act but as they are all underage but unfortunately in this case it does not seem to be a clear case of rape.

The more serious question from me would be where has the girl learnt this from? Another adult? In which case that's a clear case of sexual abuse which needs looking into.