Feminism: chat
So instead of women having to register their route home…
Ozgirl75 · 09/10/2021 13:28
I see the new idea to keep women “safe” (or maybe just to be able to find their murdered body more easily?) an app has been suggested so that women put in their route and if they’re late, a call goes to the police.
So, what about instead of that, men have to register their route before they go out - and if they go “off route” an alert is sent and they’re arrested.
Also, how about 2-3 nights a week, men have a curfew. Any man out after 8pm has to have a female chaperone, or if they’re at work, they have a permit and have to register their route.
Women have done the heavy lifting on keeping themselves safe for ages, how about we do some proper stuff to affect men for a change?
I don’t have answers for violence in the home - but maybe instead of blaming women and expecting them to constantly change their behaviour, men could do something.
This is somewhat tongue in cheek although the more I think about it, the more I think it should happen. Women are already mainly under a voluntary evening curfew, so how about we flip this.
PaleGreenGhost · 09/10/2021 15:22
I like your thinking op.
Of course it's not "the answer" but then, what the fuck is the answer?
Actually I think one of "the answers" would be to stop the cultural message that women are objects for male gratification. But I don't think that's a popular solution for most people as it would entail changing too much.
CuriousaboutSamphire · 09/10/2021 15:52
Funny how the loudest fuck offs arrive when it is suggested that men do this.
No comment on the fuckwittedness if we having to do this.
No. Let's NAMALT. Let's ask what crime?
But let's not wonder why some women might feel safer with something like this.
Let's not as what is it about our society that led to someone inventing the bloody thing in the first place.
No... Let's not!
jewel1968 · 09/10/2021 16:20
Are there any cultures present or past where male violence against women didn't happen?
I was pondering this today. We women tend to curtail our activities especially later in the evening which in some ways makes it feel worse if you do walk about at night cos there is usually only men about. I wonder if we need to do something akin to the reclaim the night that happened in Yorkshire in relation to the ripper.
I came home really late one night (2am or thereabouts) and when I told a male colleague at work I got a long lecture about how I should not do that. It came from a good place but all of this just makes us more locked up.
I don't know the answer and with a DD I want to curtail her activity so she is safe. Just wondering if that contributes to the problem.
Ozgirl75 · 10/10/2021 05:34
If men had to be out with a woman in the evening, then at least it would balance the numbers out and about late. This might mean, in turn, more women felt safe to be out by themselves and a virtuous circle begins. No all male groups of men hanging about and shouting at women. Plus if a man was out by himself you would automatically consider him a danger.
Plus maybe could we employ thousands of women to patrol the streets at night (like the police used to do). I live in Sydney and used to walk home from work over the harbour bridge and they have guards on there in the evening and it always felt reassuring - and they were men. It would have felt even better if they were women.
I honestly have no real answers about how we fix this early, at the source though.
CBUK2K · 10/10/2021 08:09
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Mybalconyiscracking · 10/10/2021 08:20
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Women commit significantly more theft than men so we should also have male chaperones for them entering a shop.
They are nearly 3 times as likely as man to commit fraud so we should probably ban them from having any access to any means of doing so.
Dear God you really are not getting the point at all, are you?
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partystress · 10/10/2021 08:38
CBUK2K. Any evidence for those statistics you’ve chucked in?
Infanticide hard to get stats, but actually given the fact that hormonally triggered psychosis would be a factor in most maternal cases, and given the huge sex imbalance in time spent with infants, that one would not be surprising.
2019 figures show all crimes are male dominated.
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Hoppinggreen · 10/10/2021 08:57
@CBUK2K
Women commit significantly more theft than men so we should also have male chaperones for them entering a shop.
They are nearly 3 times as likely as man to commit fraud so we should probably ban them from having any access to any means of doing so.
Oh yes the “women do bad stuff too” argument
midgedude · 10/10/2021 08:59
Yet women are guilty even if innocent
Guilty because of what they wear, where they walk, who they live with
It's always the woman's fault
And we've had enough of it
Because it's a mans fault, it's not all men's fault , and you can tell the good men ... they are the ones who understand that
BettyFilous · 10/10/2021 09:03
I heard the item about that app on the news yesterday and how it live broadcasts audio and video from your phone to your emergency contact once activated. Imagine being the parent/relative/partner and hearing your daughter/girlfriend/mother/BFF’s distress whilst she is being attacked? I get that the idea comes from a desire to help in an emergency and gather evidence for a prosecution, but it’s all kinds of fucked up. I recall Sarah Everard’s mother’s impact statement talked about the pain of not-knowing, but I do wonder if the knowing in blow by blow detail would be even more traumatising for families.
partystress · 10/10/2021 09:15
CBUK2K that report is two years older than the one I showed and the stats you refer to relate to proportion of offences heard in magistrates as opposed to other courts. I’m no legal expert, but I presume this means the less serious offences.
There is a genuine point to be made about presuming innocent etc,, but made up stats is not the way to do it, particularly when the tone of your argument seemed to be that we mustn’t inflict anything on men because we would then also have to apply to it women. You may have been trying to add to the discussion, but it seemed more like an attempt to shut it down.
TheWeeDonkey · 10/10/2021 09:20
This is always a pointless debate because as we know the worst thing about male violence towards women is that it makes men feel icky. Therefore the best way to combat male violence toward women is ignore it and hope it goes away and maybe throw out a few squirrels in the mean time to distract from the epidemic of violence against women.
TheWeeDonkey · 10/10/2021 09:28
[quote CBUK2K]@jewel1968 A couple of thoughts on this are:
- One of the main differences between men and women is aggression. If you pick a man and women from society at random 60% of the time the male will be more aggressive. When you look at the outliers, the most aggressive people are all male.
- According to the prison reform trust 76% of young men in prison had an absent father, lots of feminist groups are very keen to dismantle the traditional nuclear family, yet the presence of a strong male role model (especially a father) is one of the biggest factors in adult behaviour in men.
- There have been studies done on intimate partner violence which showed some of the highest levels were in gay women. Which obviously leads to the question if societies expectation for men to put and shut up as well as a very different attitude to F on M domestic abuse plays quite a large part in domestic violence.[/quote]
Number 1 and number 3 contradict each other, if men really are more agressive than men, then how are lesbian relationships the most violent? Can you explain that to me?
Feminists don't want to dismantle nuclear families, they want husbands and fathers to be responsible and caring towards their spouse and children.
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