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Launch of GB News - Sunday at 8pm

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OhHolyJesus · 12/06/2021 22:52

I think this will be interesting. I'm actually quite keen to hear from Michelle Dewberry.

I'm not big on ex-Apprentice winners but I remember her and appreciated her tweet about being a mother.

twitter.com/michelledewbs/status/1400721389854810114?s=21

I'm also a bit sick of the BBC tbh and I'm for variety in broadcasting so will see what it's like.

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ArabellaScott · 15/06/2021 22:44

I think that's pretty much what Stop Funding Hate does, yes.

CardinalLolzy · 15/06/2021 23:31

@PaleBlueMoonlight

It is bizarre that if, say, someone has left wing views and writes for a magazine that is considered right wing, then rather than observers concluding that perhaps the magazine is a little less right wing than they thought, they conclude that the person is not left wing.
If I thought hard enough I could come up with an analogy for that...
Melroses · 16/06/2021 01:06

@ArabellaScott

I think that's pretty much what Stop Funding Hate does, yes.
Stop Funding Hate came off badly when they got Co-op to tweet their withdrawal of advertising in the Spectator . It transpired that Co-op did not advertise in the Spectator, and Neil then said they would not take advertising from the Co-op.

The Co-op CEO apologised and it was eventually sorted out between Neil and the CEO and an article put in the Spectator explaining Stop Funding Hate's MO.

ArabellaScott · 16/06/2021 07:18

Yes, I remember that, Melroses. Presumably Neil is on their list.

OhHolyJesus · 16/06/2021 11:51

For those criticising the set, lighting and tech issues, of course we expect high standards as we are used to watching GB's competitors who have more money, more staff, a greater investment in tech and more resources in general to hand. They also have a different funding model and income streams.

We could compare how the BBC started producing TV news, to say how they did with 24hr news and then compare it to GB news, none of which would be fair as they come from different time periods, different tech, different budgets, indeed different audiences. We could also, for example, compare BBC Arabic TV with Al Jazeera.

I have only had a chance to have a brief look and to me it looks like there was a rush to get it on air. I imagine that corners were cut as time was of the essence and it was more important to have a presence and be available than to wait and make it perfect and potentially miss a window of opportunity? I think the glitches will work their way out, they usually do.

I'd rather watch honest, accurate news on a cardboard box budget than be tuning into the slick presentation of 'alternative facts'. (I'm not saying that is what this is, it's just my preference. If there wasn't a gap in the market GB News wouldn't have launched.)

I have stopped watching tv news altogether in the last 3 years so maybe this makes my view irrelevant or maybe this means I will be reintroduced to it.

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KleineDracheKokosnuss · 16/06/2021 12:10

I decided to actually, y‘know, watch the content to see if it was so evil.

It’s not. It’s just news.

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 16/06/2021 12:11

I really want them to take the same approach as the spectator does to companies who try to interfere with editorial decisions - ban their adverts in perpetuity.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/06/2021 12:12

Apparently Liz Truss has been on, did anyone catch it?

Lowhum · 16/06/2021 12:19

I have been watching as much as I can since the launch day.

I usually have the news on or This Morning on in the background and have decided to give GBN a go this week just to see how it develops and the type of topics they are covering.

So far today they have had Liz Truss on who briefly discussed Maya’s case, Sajid Javid who stated that child marriage (16-17yrs) is child abuse, and there was also a brief discussion among two female presenters about how the term ‘gender critical’ doesn’t sit comfortably with them as it sounds negative but is essentially about belief in biology.

They will be discussed the red light zone closure later today.

My take on GBN so far is that it is prepared to discuss the topics mentioned on this board and they welcome people to contact them to discuss matters further. They seem to give fair air time to guests, but it obviously needs to smooth out with tech glitches etc. as some info is being lost.

Lowhum · 16/06/2021 12:22

What I did pick up on when Liz Truss was on is that no one wants to say the wrong thing so the question about Maya’s case was a little clunky and so was Liz’a response. For those who know, they know, but to an outsider it would have come across a little garbled.

NannyAndJohn · 16/06/2021 12:39

Finally. Finally we have someone in the media on our side. Yes, it was a little haphazard, but just think how many average men and women (who would usually show no interest in this kind of thing) will be made aware of our cause.

(Not a fan of them wheeling out Farage for the second time last night, but I can overlook that.)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/06/2021 12:44

I heard Liz said women shouldn't be forced to use ideological language like "cis".

ShitzandGiggles · 17/06/2021 20:10

Andrew Doyle on GB News now talking about Jess de Wahls case and JK Rowling, with Andrew Neil

gillianwalmsley · 17/06/2021 21:09

@Packingsoapandwater

For those talking about production values, you've obviously forgotten what This Week on the BBC used to look like. Half the time, the set looked as though it was stuck together with Sellotape.

To be fair, I watched a GB News segment yesterday about the immigrant boats in the channel. They were interviewing a local fisherman, and it was a rather refreshing perspective. There wasn't any "heat" in the exchange, no combative set-up, and no obvious political angle being pushed forward. It was as though the fisherman was talking about, I dunno, the phenomenon of renegade pedalos on a local boating lake. Grin

It felt like a quite liberal take to me, very tempered, and it was nice to hear about that situation without the whole "fire and brimstone" from both left and right over the matter. I was left with the feeling that the most pressing issue was the boats crossing busy shipping lanes, and how that affects trade logistics and the health and safety of those crossing.

I'll watch the channel again.

So will I.

On opening night Michelle Dewberry said: "...she would air the views of people who are told “if you don’t conform to an acceptable opinion you will be called racist or xenophobic.” Furthermore, other presenters/journalists have said the channel is dedicating to fighting 'cancel culture'.

This is needed. Recently, I commented on a football fans website that I understood why the England footballers were being booed, when 'taking the knee' - I explained that I wouldn't do it myself by-the-way, but I knew why it upset some fans who see the gesture intertwined with #BLM and although the footballers have tried to distance themselves from that movement, many fans don't accept it.

I even tried to suggest an alternative display of unity - standing arm-in-arm around a 'Kick-out racism' banner.

But within a couple of hours everyone piled on and the next day, when I tried to login, I was banned!

P.S. Yesterday the show had a very interesting thing about Primary aged children being taught about 'white priviledge'....!

See: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/15/primary-school-pupils-should-learn-white-privilege-says-re-teachers/

(I paste the article as it is from a paid news site, and if I'm ever asked to teach this, that would be it for me after 25 years of teaching, 100% of which has been in diverse schools. I'm NOT suffering from 'unconscious bias' and I would be insulted if anyone suggested otherwise):

"Primary school pupils should be taught about white privilege, religious education (RE) teachers have been told in new curriculum guidance.

Lessons should introduce children aged 8-11 to the “key concept” of white privilege, described as invisible benefits that society affords to people “because of their whiteness”, according to the National Association of Teachers of Religious Education (NATRE).

The national representative body’s “anti-racist” curriculum also recommends primary pupils learn about “reasons why Bristol’s statue of Edward Colston was racially offensive”. It links to a webpage on Sikh support for Black Lives Matter, who toppled it.

The materials, seen by The Telegraph, are designed to help schools include black, Asian and ethnic minority people in RE syllabuses, which are determined locally unlike other subjects.

Primary teachers are also urged to recognise their own unconscious bias in class, as it “can make it hard for some to identify systemic racism”.

An attached glossary of key ideas for RE teachers cites put-downs and jokes as microaggressions that can “reinforce white power”, and adds: “It’s important to engage with the idea that racism is a problem for white people, rather than for black people.”

A section on the legacies of slavery tells teachers “the complicity of Christians in the enslavement of millions is an untold story” because of the “sugar coating” of Christian history which has a “shameful stain” of the Atlantic slave trade.

But on Tuesday, experts questioned whether the guide was appropriate.

Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester between 1994 and 2009, said: “The situation in the educational institutions is that white working class boys are at the bottom of the pile. So what does it mean to teach them that they are privileged?”

He said there was “no question” that Christians were instrumental in the abolition of slavery but that schools have a “presumption” to dwell on the negative.

Toby Young, of the Free Speech Union, added: “Teachers and teaching associations think that telling children Britain is a racist country is an incontestable fact, even though, according to international survey evidence, Britain is one of the least racist countries in the world.”

Flaxmeadow · 17/06/2021 21:10

I'd rather watch honest, accurate news on a cardboard box budget than be tuning into the slick presentation of 'alternative facts'

Same here and prefer it when people wear their own clothes

Did anyone else notice about a couple years ago, female presenters on Sky News all started wearing the same style tight and very fitted shift dresses but in different colours, and really high heels. It was all a bit creepy, as if someone high up, probably a man, had instructed make-up and wardrobe to have them all look like dolls

ArabellaScott · 17/06/2021 21:27

I keep missing the interviews I want to see on here, but tuned in last night and caught Michael Portillo and Andrew Neill having a really interesting discussion on the post-covid economy.

An actual, honest discussion. No shouting, nobody trying to score points, nobody trotting out soundbites.

It pulled me up very short how rare that is, and how accustomed I've become to aggressive, confrontational, gladatorial 'interviews' that make a lot of noise and don't actually impart anything insightful. Just serve to entrench existing bias.

Refreshing. I will watch more.

TheFleegleHasLanded · 17/06/2021 21:57

Andrew Neil show repeated at midnight for those who missed it. Well worth recording for the segment about Jess, Maya, and JKR with Andrew Doyle.

BaronessWrongCrowd · 17/06/2021 22:00

@TheFleegleHasLanded

Andrew Neil show repeated at midnight for those who missed it. Well worth recording for the segment about Jess, Maya, and JKR with Andrew Doyle.
It was very good. It’s up on the GB news YouTube channel now.
ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 18/06/2021 16:31

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9696031/Vodafone-DENIES-pulled-advertising-GB-News.html

Just sharing a piece about advertisers pulling out and the DM helpfully share the hypocrisy of some individuals who targeted advertisers.

OvaHere · 18/06/2021 17:25

I just watched the clip with Andrew Doyle about Jess. He gave a very good overview of the situation.

The Andrew Neil Show, as expected, is one of the better shows on the channel. I'm not a fan of daytime tv or talk radio in the first place so I don't see me watching some of the other programmes unless I hear in advance about a specific segment.

I think it's tomorrow Neil Oliver is on so I'll try to check that one out and see what it's like.

Mollyollydolly · 18/06/2021 20:33

A load of my right on mates were all taking the piss out of it on Facebook. I told them I watched Andrew Neil last night with Andrew Doyle and it was excellent, articulate and reasoned. Also said it would never have been on BBC, ITV, or Ch4 news. No response yet. Some of the stuff I've seen has been very ropey but I think I'll be watching the Andrew Neil show every night. Looking forward to Andrew Doyle tomorrow (think it's on at 4pm).

2Rebecca · 18/06/2021 20:42

There is a GB news app for both android and apple. I tend to watch Andrew Neil on it later on the evening as I'm usually busy at 8 and prefer to watch/ listen to news later. All the programmes since the launch are available on the app. Last night was great talking about Jess. The adverts cut people off mid sentence on it but I hope that will improve

ArabellaScott · 18/06/2021 20:56

Yes, right on people have a lot of ready-made opinions. Tiresome.

AnoDeLosMuertos · 18/06/2021 21:04

@TrainedByCats

Since heavy use of union flags tends to be used by groups opposed to people living in the UK who don't fit the white British demographic based on the branding I’d assume it’s not for me
Lovely stereotype there. Funny how liberals are so intolerant and stuck in their own views.