Launch of GB News - Sunday at 8pm

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I think this will be interesting. I'm actually quite keen to hear from Michelle Dewberry.

I'm not big on ex-Apprentice winners but I remember her and appreciated her tweet about being a mother.

twitter.com/michelledewbs/status/1400721389854810114?s=21

I'm also a bit sick of the BBC tbh and I'm for variety in broadcasting so will see what it's like.

We watch/listen to/read whatever chimes with our views. The media knows this but in recent years has tended to ignore. The BBC acknowledges that it has too strong a bias and is now trying to correct (its idea of correction is to have more northern accents ).

Until all media outlets work out that they have a duty to try and bring us together somewhere in the centre, then our debates will become the cultural minefield that's going on in the US and that they're trying to ship wholesale into the UK. There was something on another thread and 'indigenous' was used for the UK wtf, not even amendments, just wholesale dumping

This is why we are in such a mess politically. Because so many people have become so ensconced in their own political bubbles and convinced that they're the sole arbiter of morality that they'll claim anyone who even listens to someone else is automatically aligning themselves with them.
Pure totalitarianism.

Completely agree. This is how a 'follow' on Twitter of the wrong person or the wrong idea can get you cancelled or turn the mob against you. It's so tribal - it's dangerous.

Choose your side, choose your media accordingly, do not deviate, don't ask questions, repeat the mantras, choose your friends, report anyone who steps out of line, shame anyone who disagrees, dehumanise them, call them scum, rage against them, call for their head, threaten them, check for wrongthink, demand capitulation, demand abeisance, demand repentance, demand re-education, destabilise the situation, keep checking for ideological purity, scorn, insult, smear, report, attack, beat, destroy.

Also, it's really interesting to see the response of people who for some reason really think we shouldn't be allowed to watch divergent opinions.

Instead of criticising or analysing the content, it's all 'shut it down' and sneering and slurs. Ad hom attacks are really very telling. They provoke an instant fear response in me, which I suppose is the intent. They're a threat to expel the person from the flock as beyond the pale, effectively, a threat of shunning is quite powerful.

Why would people do that instead of discussing the issues? Slag off the technical standards, the lighting, instead of discussing the contents?

I don't really care how flashy my news studio is, tbh, the amount of money poured into a media outlet doesn't increase its credibility. I care about the content. Haven't seen enough of this channel to comment as yet, but I think it's also interesting how Neil is getting attacked - Molly, that's interesting to read about his background. Son of a millworker and an electrician, from Paisley - hardly establishment.

I tried watching last night but there were no subtitles. Not sure if that was Sky, GB News, or just being new.

@PenguindreamsofDraco

I tried watching last night but there were no subtitles. Not sure if that was Sky, GB News, or just being new.

I've seen a lot of complaints about that. It's a huge oversight considering how many people are hearing impaired.

Still can't get over how watching a news channel is called 'aligning' oneself with something.

What happens if you read the Daily Mail, the Guardian and the Morning Star all in one morning? Multi-alignment? Brain explosion?

For those talking about production values, you've obviously forgotten what This Week on the BBC used to look like. Half the time, the set looked as though it was stuck together with Sellotape.

To be fair, I watched a GB News segment yesterday about the immigrant boats in the channel. They were interviewing a local fisherman, and it was a rather refreshing perspective. There wasn't any "heat" in the exchange, no combative set-up, and no obvious political angle being pushed forward. It was as though the fisherman was talking about, I dunno, the phenomenon of renegade pedalos on a local boating lake.

It felt like a quite liberal take to me, very tempered, and it was nice to hear about that situation without the whole "fire and brimstone" from both left and right over the matter. I was left with the feeling that the most pressing issue was the boats crossing busy shipping lanes, and how that affects trade logistics and the health and safety of those crossing.

I'll watch the channel again.

Does anyone remember a couple of years back there was a woman crowd funding to defend herself from the Labour Party, who wanted to sack her for 'transphobia'? Lisa something?

I donated, and followed her on twitter. She interacted with me a few times, funny anc normal stuff.

Then she was offered an interview with the Daily Mail and she turned it down because socialists don't speak to fascists.

I asked her politely on twitter which media outlets she'd be willing to speak to, and she blocked me.

As others have said, it's totalitarianism. We keep asking for sunlight on these issues but how will the general public ever know about them if we demand political purity from potential sources of news coverage?

Great. Keep fighting in the Morning Star, where nobody will hear you and nobody will change their point of view. But you can be 'right' all by yourself.

(by the way Jon Snow is past normal retirement age, paler than even the average white person, and has been on telly since mom jeans were in fashion the first time)

A female journalist I knew started out as a reporter on a local newspaper, moved to reporting on a local ITV news programme (toxic male environment) and then became a freelancer, where she was happiest in her career. Despite being left-leaning, she loved getting stories into the Daily Mail and Mail On Sunday because, 'They pay me well, they don't mess me around, they do brilliant investigations and you know that millions of people have read what you've written.' Other publications had better feminist credentials but were harder to deal with if you were female and you hadn't been to university, especially when it came to paying up.

Andrew O'Neil from 8pm tonight apparently includes "What's gone wrong with Stonewall?"

(I missed Maya on today, so not sure if it's a repeat of earlier).

From what I have seen so far they have covered issues that are ‘sofa topics’ i.e. something you would discuss at home, but maybe not at work.

They have brought up topics that I have seen on this board already. On Dan Wooten’s segment last night they discussed TW in sport and had India Willoughby on the panel. I personally didn’t agree with everything Dan said, but he is not afraid to speak his mind and say what he thinks. He was also told off by Andrew Neil on air for getting a stat on COVID wrong.
Andrew Doyle mentioned police training and distractions last night and I expect he will cover this more on his own show later in the week.

I will keep watching because it’s interesting seeing how it is unfolding and developing.

They are covering Stonewall now. www.gbnews.uk/

Andrew Neil is discussing Stonewall now..

Cheers, Melroses. Simon Fanshawe interviewed by Andrew Neil.

It is bizarre that if, say, someone has left wing views and writes for a magazine that is considered right wing, then rather than observers concluding that perhaps the magazine is a little less right wing than they thought, they conclude that the person is not left wing.

I have to agree with @ArabellaScott & @OldTurtleNewShell.

In general, it feels like we’ve lost any ability to listen to a viewpoint that may be different to what you think. Twitter is a prime example of this, it’s really depressing.

There’s the OU & a couple of others pulling adverts from it today. Why? To satisfy a baying totalitarian mob.

Simon was good when he got onto the recent legal stuff.

They are now on Nick from Newsnight who got chased which is an interesting story and has upset journalists a lot.

Simon Fanshaw was a guest and to be fair AN really put the question out there about the terms 'birther' ect and was it acceptable (AN did a head tilt and voice inclination). He asked if women rights were being eroded.

Simon dodged the bullet I think by mansplaining it was akin to religious beliefs (started waffling about muslim parents outside a school and a Taliban terrorist )and that open dialogue was needed and that someones rights always got infringed upon. It certainly didn't come off as trans rights are the only rights that matter - which has been pushed and pushed so I'll take that.

Very brave on GB news. I'll give them that! Its a start!

And now the National Trust - which has been interesting.

Maybe 8-9pm will be the time to tune in.

(I have also discovered the curtain behind with a gap is part of the studio design and it is actually lights)

Is there a catch up facility?

@Campervan69

Is there a catch up facility?

I think they post clips on Twitter and full interviews on youtube.

OvaHere thanks, will check it out

@Smokeahontas

I have to agree with *@ArabellaScott & @OldTurtleNewShell*.

In general, it feels like we’ve lost any ability to listen to a viewpoint that may be different to what you think. Twitter is a prime example of this, it’s really depressing.

There’s the OU & a couple of others pulling adverts from it today. Why? To satisfy a baying totalitarian mob.

Honestly, the baying mob is becoming standard modus operandi. It's stifling, diminishing and frightening. Only the loudest and most aggressive people get their voices heard, anyone that deviates gets attacked and vilified.

I don't know quite how we get over this; it doesn't seem a healthy way to conduct a democratic society.

Some advertisers cancelling: www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-57483907

@ArabellaScott are they going to pore though every advert on every TV channel / publication they deem unsuitable & lobby? Why not let people decide what they want to watch and what they want to purchase?