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Parents and carers of anxious teens(part 7)

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Stilllivinginazoo · 27/12/2023 05:05

Goodness,seventh thread!
Welcome back to those who have been on board with me since the days DS was first struggling,and hello to new faces

This thread is for those who care for anxious teens.some of us have diagnosis of ASD/anxiety/depression,others are encountering and navigating escalating symptoms that are starting to prove troublesome

This is a safe,non judgemental space to share ideas,offload worries and provide support and kind words for those deep in the trenches

We get how utterly exhausting it can be and are not afraid to celebrate the small wins that in regular circles would be deemed as insignificant as participating in "normal activities"

OP posts:
medianewbie · 21/08/2024 20:48

Hi, can I join please? On behalf of my Ds. He was about to go to University.
Huge. Massive. Terrifying. (he is Autistic, Dyslexic & has clinical anxiety)
No meds no support from GP or school. He's had a very tough time indeed.
Only he became ill with Myocarditis & went into heart failure 6 weeks ago.
He still wants to go to Uni (4 hours away, in halls, has to cook for himself too)
but is worried he is too tired still. I am worried about it too. Too too much.
BUT I'm also worried about his mental health if he stays at home isolated again.
He's got until Monday to decide. (I am anxiously eating all the chocolate...)

Runnerduck34 · 21/08/2024 20:49

That's interesting to hear others have gained weight on quitiapine. Psychologist said she might, he's recently halved dose but makes no difference to her hunger, she's always liked eating (like her mum!) but it seems almost non stop craving - if she's awake that is!
Psychologist thinks benefit of quitiapine, which seems to be working well, outweighs disadvantages.
But I actually had a shock when I looked at photos of her from last summer to now.
Worth knowing about other meds.
She hasn't got a bipolar diagnosis but she is very up and down, it was prescribed for intrusive thoughts.

Theordinary · 21/08/2024 21:19

@medianewbie that all sounds horrendously stressful. It's such a lot going on all at once. I'm not surprised you're stressed.
@Runnerduck34 we've found the psychiatrists to be quite dismissive of the physical effects of the anti psychotic drugs eg. the weight gain, lack of motivation to exercise and general sluggishness. It's got to be up to the individual to decide the benefits against all of these big downsides.

DarkChocHolic · 21/08/2024 21:30

@medianewbie
So sorry to hear you are under so much stress.
Would ds defer a year?
He has the place. He can take the year to get better if that would be acceptable to him.

Runnerduck34 · 21/08/2024 22:12

@medianewbie welcome-Id be eating all the chocolate too! Theres no shame in deferring my middle DD defered- (autism, anxiety, low weight/possible ARFID) She just wasnt ready and deferred at last minute too- it was stressful but when decision was made it was like a weight lifted.
She got a part time job and it helped increase her confidence, she went to uni last year-4 hours away- struggled socially- going to lectures and moving out was all she could cope with- socialising was too much- we visited often- but she feels a lot more confident going back this year, she made 1 friend and says she will join societies this year which will hopefully help with friendships.
Going to uni is massive and it is scary.
Do apply for DSA if you havent already and contact student support so they can put a support plan in place, if he decides to go.
Sorry your GP isnt supportive, can you try another GP at same practice? meds may help him, but it can be trial and error getting right ones. I hope he makes a decision soon.

@Theordinary yep current CAMHS Psychiatrist is a bit dismissive/ not a great bedside manner-talks at you not to you and always rushed. As shes 17 I think she will soon be transferred to adult services or possibly just discharged to GP.

1spinforward2back · 21/08/2024 22:50

Welcome. I would also defer if possible.

Good luck tomorrow @Theordinary, @Runnerduck34 and anyone else awaiting results.

@Runnerduck34 JR doesn’t have to be expensive. JR proceedings themselves are always in the child or young person’s name, so DC can be eligible for legal aid in their own right. Those 18+ are eligible in their own right for legal aid for pre-action letters too. Most cases don’t get to an actual hearing. Sometimes just the threat of JR works. Although not as often as in the past.

DS1 takes Risperidone and Mirtazapine but weight gain isn’t an issue because he needs to put weight on.

Okisenough · 21/08/2024 23:54

Thanks to everyone for your congratulations. And Good luck to everyone getting GCSE results tomorrow.

@medianewbie welcome and I am sorry that your son has had such a tough time. Chocolate eating is totally understandable in this situation. Is there a University he would be happy to attend that is closer so he could come home if he needed a break? It sounds like a difficult choice, if only we could see into the future! For my own dd, I had hoped she would opt to take a gap year or do an art foundation (free of charge) locally but she really didn't want to do that.

Runnerduck34 · 22/08/2024 16:39

@Theordinary how did it go today? I do hope your DD is content with her results.

My DD passed her Art GCSE with flying colours and I'm thrilled for her! It was the only one she sat this summer and with 121 tutor- so nowhere near as stressful as school situation. Next will be all the rest of her GCSEs so that will be much more challenging.

Theordinary · 22/08/2024 16:50

@Runnerduck34 great news for your daughter with the Art. She should be very proud of her hard work. Art was the only 6 grade my DD got and we were pleased too. She was predicted a 9 but obviously hadn't been attending school since Jan so that just wasn't achievable anymore. Bit of a mixed bag with the others. Just missed out on the 4 in maths. 2s for English and scraped 4s for science which is fab. Other subjects she either didn't sit or completely bombed. Never mind it's all done now. The college has agreed to let her do the Level 2 course instead of the level 1 which is also good news. I need a massive glass of wine tonight!

Runnerduck34 · 22/08/2024 17:55

@Theordinary - that's fab news! I'll join with a big glass of wine tonight 🍷

Okisenough · 22/08/2024 20:29

@Runnerduck34 and @Theordinary well done to both your dds! Wonderful news, I hope they are both really proud of themselves.

Ordinary - is it worth asking the school to send maths for a remark?

Enjoy your wine x

1spinforward2back · 25/08/2024 15:57

@Theordinary @Runnerduck34 well done to both your DDs.

DarkChocHolic · 25/08/2024 16:42

@Runnerduck34 and @Theordinary
Pleased to read about your DD's successes in their subjects. It is a stressful period but I hope they can see the glimmers.
Glad about the Level 2. Must be a relief.

As the holidays are almost coming to an end, we are feeling anxious about DD and her plans for Y13.
It is almost impossible for her to catch up at this point. She has missed too much and her confidence is at an all time-low.
I wish the school would take it out of our hands and insist she resat Y12 but they are not doing it.
I cannot be the bad guy and insist they do as DD does not want that option.
She feels it would be too embarrassing to be in the same school and restart.
She has however agreed to restart at a college an hour away. I think she prefers the idea of going somewhere completely new where everyone is starting fresh.
Not sure if she will change her mind again so we are all on tenterhooks next few weeks.
I want her to move and I also don't want her to move.
At the end of the day, it is not about me though. I have to remind myself of that over and over again.
Hope everyone is having a lovely Bank Holiday weekend!
xx

Theordinary · 26/08/2024 09:10

Thanks to everyone for the kind words.
@Okisenough I did ask her tutor if it would be worth a remark on the maths. She thought probably not as she thinks it's less likely to get a higher mark remarking maths. The English was a real shame but she can try again I guess.
@DarkChocHolic its hard when they've missed so much school. I can understand why your DD wants a fresh start. It's much the same with my DD too. She would hate to go back to the school that caused her so much trauma. A new start at college allows her to start a fresh. Hope you can figure things out.

MinionKevin · 26/08/2024 09:50

Just checking, we’ve been okay, we went away and it was fine, every year she is slightly more resilient.
Im dreading the return to school, change is the hardest thing for us. They’ve changed the timetable and one of her teachers. Nightmare.

Theordinary · 26/08/2024 13:15

@MinionKevin I hate this time of year too. My DD has left that school but my DS still has to go back. He gets really anxious and I'm dreading it too. I'm almost counting down until the next half term! What year will your DD be going into? Does she have any friends at school?

MinionKevin · 26/08/2024 13:29

@Theordinary year 11, I wish it wasn’t and we had another year to go.
She does have friends, her best friend has become difficult and has recently self diagnosed herself as autistic. She’s not very tolerant of DDs absences which has caused issues. In the past DD refused to meet up outside of school and now she will her friend is now refusing. It’s very hard to negotiate.

Theordinary · 26/08/2024 17:35

It's a difficult year but you'll get through it. Buckle up a roller coaster though. I always wished mine did outside activities and had friends outside school. Unfortunately they always refused to do anything extra curricular. A mixture of anxiety and the need to re charge from the challenges of school meant that they have never really made any friends outside school. This made the end of school friendships particularly difficult for DD. If can possibly encourage outside clubs or groups that might help? Easier said than done l know.

Okisenough · 27/08/2024 16:57

Good luck to everyone with the start of a new year. Sending you and your dcs lots of love, I know it can be a difficult time. My dd only got through her final year by having pretty much a day off every single week, sometimes two. It wasn't ideal but she really needed that time to rest and just not be at school, so I went with it. Looking back I am amazed they never questioned my constant emails about illness, doctor and dentist appointments.

I am relieved that we have closed the door on school. Today we have spent the day clearing out dd's room which included getting rid of pretty much everything to do with school. It has felt wonderful to get rid of notes, diaries, reports etc.

Okisenough · 27/08/2024 17:04

medianewbie · 21/08/2024 20:48

Hi, can I join please? On behalf of my Ds. He was about to go to University.
Huge. Massive. Terrifying. (he is Autistic, Dyslexic & has clinical anxiety)
No meds no support from GP or school. He's had a very tough time indeed.
Only he became ill with Myocarditis & went into heart failure 6 weeks ago.
He still wants to go to Uni (4 hours away, in halls, has to cook for himself too)
but is worried he is too tired still. I am worried about it too. Too too much.
BUT I'm also worried about his mental health if he stays at home isolated again.
He's got until Monday to decide. (I am anxiously eating all the chocolate...)

I hope you and your ds managed to have a restful bank holiday weekend. Did he make a decision? And how are you?

Anisty · 28/08/2024 16:35

Hello everyone🙂 I haven't read every thread on here, but I have had a scan down the thread and see a few things that put me in this boat with all of you.

And I am brand new to Mumsnet too so this is my very first post here.

I have 5 'kids' altogether but, thankfully, 4 of them are adult (though my 25 year old has autism and a borderline learning difficulty, is in supported employment and cannot live independently.

He is not the reason i am here though . .

It's my 16 yr old DD that unites me with you all. She is on her first day of college today (induction day) It seems to be going ok!

So - here is a brief background. With us having autism in our family, I did notice some very subtle signs DD might be on the spectrum but, suffice it to say, nothing stood out like a sore thumb. No issues at all at primary school, had friends, went to kids birthday parties, brownies etc quite the thing.
No problems whatsoever.

The only things of note (and would never have been noticed by anyone not au fait with autism) is that she started horse riding lessons when she was about 7yrs old and her horsey chat was pretty incessant til she was about 12yrs!! She had the Schleich horses, the Playmobil and talked and lived non stop horse.
As a baby, she used to scream blue murder on every car journey which was possibly sensory. And didn't like chairs scraping on the floor at toddlers.

Apart from that, she did enjoy shops, clothes, soft play, horses. And seemed to be developing pretty normally. She was bright enough at school but i didn't think she was especially academic as she always seemed a bit of a fluffy head! (Far more into pretty dresses than a day out at a kids' museum)

Anyway, fast forward to high school (we are in Scotland) she started 2020 Covid year. She hated it from day one. First, the girls she'd been at primary with turned up at high school in full make up, crop tops and in boyfriend seeking mode. Next, discipline and behaviour was poor with backchat, pushing and shoving on the stairs etc.

She really felt out of her depth. However, things did settle when she found a group more like her in the drama club (Doc Marten wearers!)

So, S1 passed and so did S2. Meanwhile, she started her periods and, from the off, they were heavy and painful. She was fairly stoical about it in S2 and I had no idea how heavy or painful they were - i just gave her a couple of aspirin (which seemed to work better than paracetamol) and she got on with things.

I think it was just into the New Year (jan) when she was still in S3, she told me she'd been on her period 6 weeks and it just was not stopping. I called the GP right away (our surgery is dire) and they did solve the problem, not by seeing her, but by putting her on a combined pill right away.

That did bring the bleed to a stop. However, 3 months later, at a weekend, i had to call 111 as she was bent double in bed with heavy bleeding and pain. Went to the urgent care centre and she got prescribed those 2 acid meds (cant remember names but one reduces bleeding and the other is a painkiller)

Into S4, I can't remember the exact sequence of events but she must have had bloods done at some stage and was anaemic so went onto iron. Bleeding even on the Pill (she is running back to back but heavy breakthrough)

School is ramping up pressure for exams. DD by this stage has decided she must go to Uni. She didnt know what she wanted to do there, it just seemed to be a thing that everyone does!

And now she is getting migraine headaches to she has been told she cannot stay on the combined pill.

But, she has friends at school, goes into town with them on the bus on Saturdays. Sometimes she comes back tearful and exhausted and again i am thinking - is this autism or just exhaustion from her headaches, periods, low iron. She goes to a few parties. She isn't a huge party girl and hasn't had any romantic relationships but she seems ok.

My main concern at this stage (this is all around Aug/Sept 23 ) is her physical health and that she is working too hard for her pre lims. She is coming home in a bad mood more often from school and starts skipping some social invites.

Tues, 3rd oct 23, she went to school as normal. That evening, she was very chatty. It was the week before the October school hols and she was telling me about her plans for meeting pals in the hols.

Weds, 4th Oct, she comes into my bedroom about 8.15 am and told me she'd taken an overdose. Neither me nor her Dad saw that one coming.

She had actually got up, put on her school uniform and taken 8 paracetamol. Luckily, with a dose that low she did not need any treatment. She took the OD at about 7am she said so her Dad (we do live in the same house btw) took her to a &e and they took bloods, waited, took more bloods and she was fine to come home within about 4 hours.

She was fast tracked to CAMHS and i have to say they were absolutely useless.

This is turning into a very, very long story so to cut it very short i will say DD did not engage with the service but I can't blame her! 3 appts in total. And 2 of those were re scheduled at short notice.
By Christmas, DDs behaviour at home was really concerning me. She was totally disengaged and said she could not feel anything (in terms of emotion) I was starting to think Schizophrenia at one point.

However, when i voiced my concerns to CAMHS, asking if she could be seen by a psychiatrist to determine if this was a deep depression, schizophrenia or autistic burnout, I got no reply at all. I then found out DDs camhs nurse had gone off long term sick so we had no help jan to march 24.

Then, a letter addressed to DD came in the post - she is discharged!!!!!

I get in touch to see what has happened but of course it is confidential.

Now, i do know teens can be sneaky but i am 100% sure that DD did not ask to be discharged.

Happily, she saw sense and agreed uni was not for her. She got offered an unconditional place at college. She did well in nat 5s with 5 at grade A, one B and one C (As in maths and english)

And she has settled right down. She had a uterine scan but nothing abnormal found. And a brain scan but all normal.

So - I think it's looking a bit clearer that this was an autistic burnout and I have applied for her to be privately assessed at a cost of almost £2k!!

Not that we are rich by any means but she is very much on board with having the assessment. I think a lot of her migraines are caused by masking. She has already dropped all but 3 pals from high school and wants to start afresh at college. It is a theatre course she is on. I hope she settles there and loves it but she knows there is no pressure or shame if she had made a mistake and it turns out not to be for her.

This past year has been soooooo stressful. Reading this thread helps me know i am not alone. DD will not talk about why she took an OD - but she did say she could not stand the thought of staying in school another year or two and i dont think she knew there were other options.

Im really surprised and proud she carried on til May tbh, as at Christmas it really was not looking good for her managing another day at school, let alone 4 or 5 months!

Anisty · 28/08/2024 16:36

Oh folks i am so sorry that was too long!

Anisty · 28/08/2024 23:45

Well, a promising first day at college for DD - she seems to have made two new pals already and was chatty and happy tonight. She doesn't go again til next Tues but fingers crossed she's going to thrive now she's out of school.

TeenDivided · 29/08/2024 01:10

@Anisty Well done for your DD. She has done so well to start college. Take it carefully and be prepared to intervene if it all seems too much. Does she have Scottish equivalent of an EHCP?

On the side topic, are periods still bad? Have you considered PCOS and/or endometriosis. I think I read the latter often takes 7 years to be diagnosed (which was about right for my elder DD, partly because she didn't let me get involved).

My DD2 is due to restart college next week having done 2 years, but then a gap year. (Recovering from anxiety and depression started in 2020 made worse by pandemic).

Anisty · 29/08/2024 10:19

Hi @TeenDivided No, she never had any help at school. When she applied for college, i got her tick tick the box saying she had a mental health issue. The college got in touch inviting her in for a support meeting but by that stage she'd been kicked out of CAMHS and still not wanting to talk to anyone re MH so i think she replied saying she didn't need their help!

She seem to think she can re invent herself at college. Looking back, i think there probably has been a friendship issue at school at the root of a lot of this. She certainly isn't one for going round in a big group and she moved away from her friend group after the OD and just kept 2 individual friends (so not a group of 3, but sees 2 seperately)

Have to dash out so will keep brief - she had uterine scan and all normal. She was gutted about that. I dont think it rules out endo as laperoscopy needed for that in early stages. She has gynae appt sept and i want to just ask where all this blood is coming from.

BUT - as no physical reason found for her headaches, palpitations or painful bleeds, i am thinking cause must be stress and anxiety. And i have a feeling autism will be at the root of this. She seems to have a low pain threshold and absolutely cannot stand the feeling of blood oozing. I suggested tampon but she wont entertain it!

Obvs the fact she goes anaemic without iron is physical so the bleeds must be heavy. But i think if she settles on this course, she might cope better!

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