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what would you think if your counsellor said this....

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ThatVikRinA22 · 06/01/2012 21:57

not namechanged for this....being brave because i am about to make myself sound like a neurotic wreck of a creature Smile

ive been undergoing some counselling. its been a bit odd really, i went because i had a terrible child hood in which i suffered rejection, then abuse and neglect, before leaving home at the ripe old age of 15 and being homeless for a while. i had cut all contact with my mother, half brother and step father 12 years ago, but recently my mother had tried to get in touch with me, and i had tried to strike up a relation ship with dead beat drug addicted half brother which turned sour quite quickly.

it had resurrected the bad memories and thats why i had sought counsel.

The counsellor has not touched upon what happened to me at all. Instead he has focused on my personality, trying to change the way i view myself etc. Thats been ok if difficult at times. ive been about 4 times now to see this counsellor.

todays session felt pointless tbh, but i am persevering. He was talking to me about relaxation and inner peace, i had actually got more help on that score from a thread i had on here, and had already decided that i probably need to learn to meditate or similar. He said i was a prime candidate for "burn out". I do have a very stressful and difficult job which im not comfortable in, and i have two children, one teen DD of 14 and one grown up DS of 20, who has autism. (this is relevant....) aswell as a home to run.

at the very end of the session, he said he had noticed i had mentioned my DS a couple of times, and both times, i had mentioned that he has autism.
He said there was no need for me to say that and he wondered why i had mentioned it.
I said i just assumed that when i said that he has autism, that other people would automatically realise that i had my work cut out....that it was hard work, more so than living with a child without a disability,

i pondered a moment and then i said that i realise that when i say that i am mistaken, because how could they know, without experiencing it for themselves.
He said "but you have talked about him going to university"
i said yes. he is accademically bright. He has aspergers.
he said so its just socially then?
i said "in a nutshell, and he operates much younger than his years. I still have to organise so much for him"
He said i need to ask myself why i felt fit to mention it....he said not to take offence, but was it "like a trophy? or was it poor me?"

with that he finished the session.

ive come away feeling deeply unhappy. I do think that when i tell people that they will just realise that i am still doing things for a 20 year old that other people are not doing. I just had to fill in his DSA forms for uni, sort out his accommodation for uni, arrange an appointment at uni for a disability advisor so he can access support etc....on top of work a 54 hour shift rota, and keep a home running.

what would you make of this? am i being over sensitive? i was taken aback a bit, but then i apologised for mentioning it and left.
the more i think about it, the more unhappy i feel about it. Does anyone wear their childrens disability like a trophy? really? i dont feel i do. i do say it when i need to justify why i am still ringing him to remind him of a dental appointment...as i had to do today, or people would just think i was a mad woman who babies her 20 yr old son for no good reason. - wouldnt they?

i have also just realised while writing this down that i have an intense need to justify myself....is this part of the counselling process? to make me think about why i said it?

it took me so long to write this post mumsnet logged me out in the process...well done if you got this far!

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ohbugrit · 06/01/2012 22:00

I have experience of counselling I'm afraid but in your shoes I would quite simply be angry and insulted. Unless he has direct experience of your situation he can't really comment, can he? Would he have made the comment if you'd made mention of your child having physical disabilities?

I am angry on your behalf.

ladywithnomanors · 06/01/2012 22:01

You went to the cousellor with your own problems , maybe you caught him off guard talking about your DS's problems?

NewYearEverything · 06/01/2012 22:01

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ohbugrit · 06/01/2012 22:01

I have NO experience of counselling, sorry Blush

TheLightPassenger · 06/01/2012 22:07

I think it was a bit unfair of the counsellor to say that, as surely having a child with SN could be very relevant indeed to the way you view yourself now, it can feel very isolating at times, so seems a sensible thing to mention

ThatVikRinA22 · 06/01/2012 22:08

no, not CBT i dont think - just the same thing as you did newyears, but i find it very difficult to talk about my past and he hasnt asked any questions about it, so ive not talked about it in the sessions.

i did tell him on the phone why i was going when i arranged the appointment. i was very upset at the time as i had had an email from my mother and i found it very difficult, thats what prompted me to seek counsel.

since i have ceased contact with half brother, i feel cut off again and safe again, back in my normal comfort zone if that makes sense - i was happy before they came back on the scene. i think ive avoided thinking about - out of sight out of mind sort of thing.

he said that was good. he said i have to find peace with it all and let it go. but he doesnt know what happened to me.

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catsareevil · 06/01/2012 22:08

What model of counselling is it meant to be?

YuleingFanjo · 06/01/2012 22:09

you say he said "was it "like a trophy? or was it poor me?"

If you don't think it is like a trophy then could it be poor me? If my counsellor said this then I would at least consider the possibility that it could be either. You seem to be rejecting the trophy bit so could it be poor me?

madmouse · 06/01/2012 22:11

I would be quite shocked at his behaviour and think he's ruddy ignorant.

And I've had a lot of counselling.

ds is part of your life and when you're having counselling all of your life matters.

Is this counsellor actually doing what you want to do?

Cussandroid · 06/01/2012 22:13

Vicar, I have similarly spent time justifying why I do stuff for ds who may have some similarities with yours; it's what Tony Attwood calls being an executive secretary for them; if you don't understand asd, you will think it's smothering not mothering. I think he was wrong to say that to you. Sad

ThatVikRinA22 · 06/01/2012 22:14

no idea what model...didnt realise there were different models?

i dont feel like its poor me....i think i said something today because just before i had gone for the session, just as i was pulling out of the drive, DS rang and said he needed to get in. (he has a part time job - flexible - and he had gone today, but forgotten something and he has lost his keys again - he looses keys weekly)

i was leaving. i had to wait for him to get home so i could let him back into the house and it made me run late. i was annoyed and flustered. he also had a dental appointment today, he forgot the last one so i had that on my mind.

i think thats why i mentioned it. because it was on my mind. DS was on my mind.

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MarthasHarbour · 06/01/2012 22:16

first of all well done on the counselling, i went last year and really found it beneficial

i dont know, part of me thinks it is probably a fair comment, he did say he didnt mean offence by it but i recall my counsellor asked me a lot of questions about why i categorised certain things etc. i went to her with issues about A B and C but ended up talking about XY and Z

Have a think about it for a few days, i wouldnt be offended by it. Maybe (and i am no psychologist) you went with issues about your mothers 'mothering' and he wants to talk about your own 'mothering' and how it has been affected by the former.

Good luck Smile

LanceCorporalBoiledEgg · 06/01/2012 22:16

Some counselllors are crap. Some are complete nobs on a power trip.

Not all by any means. But they do exist.

Also counsellors are often not all that qualified. And are often not regulated very carefully so you have to be very careful who you choose (assuming they're private and not NHS).

Sorry that's just my experience (I've had a few).

You are allowed to jib him off if you think he's been unhelpful. Find someone else.

PollyMorfic · 06/01/2012 22:16

I'd think the counsellor was incompetent, inexperienced or downright barking, tbh. I know that when a friend with a severely autistic child was looking for a therapist she made a point of getting referred to someone who had experience with autism. Her child's autism wasn't the reason she was going into therapy, but she felt that it was essential to have a counsellor/therapist who 'got it', simply because autism was such a big part of her life in a way that would be hard to understand without having seen it close up.

The counsellor sounds like someone who's been on a weekend course in 'How To Do CBT' without actually having any understanding of real people and their emotions and thought processes. The comment about it being like a 'trophy' or 'poor me' is downright offensive. I'd find someone new, and look for someone who takes a more analytic approach which includes helping you come to terms with your past. The whole CBT 'let's fix your thought processes now without getting involved in all that messy background' approach may work for people with a simple, defined issue, but seems a very wrong-headed way of trying to help someone wiht long-standing problems related to their experiences going back years.

ThatVikRinA22 · 06/01/2012 22:18

x posts sorry...

no i dont think this counselling is helping me. its actually making me do more navel gazing and i do that enough. i am hyper analytical and i re run things over and over. he is making me feel nervous.

i want to talk about my past. i want to put it to bed.

he has said i need to let it go, but he doesnt know what i need to let go!

does this mean if i dont just blurt it all out he wont ask? maybe i dont need to do that anymore, i dont know. ive never told anyone in RL what happened to me, so it feels awkward and uncomfortable to do it now.

instead the counselling seems to be magnifying all my flaws! (of which there are many....)

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fridakahlo · 06/01/2012 22:18

Did you do an assement appointment before you got to the counselling bit? Every time I have looked at a therapist (I've only had ongoing contact with two, it's just it took a few to find my current one) there has been an initial appointment where an in-depth history is taken, otherwise how can they know what they are working with? It does sound as if your therapist comes from a cbt background when really you probably be looking at pyschodynamic or similar, dela with the past, then if you still feel you need it, doing the CBT.
And I don't like the way he phrased that one bit.

Tranquilidade · 06/01/2012 22:18

Sounds wrong to me too Vicar although I freely confess I have no real experience. I don't understand how you can counsel someone without understanding something of their past and present life and problems. Surely teaching you to relax without addressing other issues below the surface is akin to putting a sticking plaster on a compound fracture.

fridakahlo · 06/01/2012 22:19

*should be

perceptionreality · 06/01/2012 22:20

OMG.

Please stop going to see this twat - he will not help you.

I've been having therapy for about 18 months and I have a fantastic therapist who has helped me more than words could express. The main thing is that she is totally non-judgemental and never ever makes me feel bad or upset.

I have had rubbish counselors in the past and they do more harm than good.

Look for someone else - there will be the right person out there for you and when you find them you won't believe how much better you feel, trust me!

ThatVikRinA22 · 06/01/2012 22:20

weirdly though i have accessed this counselling through occy health at work.

so while not NHS he isnt someone out of the yellow pages either....i dont get a choice in who i see. its free.

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catsareevil · 06/01/2012 22:21

It sounds a bit odd. The style sounds like it could be CBASP, but that is a very specialized thing, and you would know if that was what you were getting, because you would have been told.

If you are planning on talking to this therapist again it might be worth starting by asking them what model they are using and to what level they are trained in that.

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TheLightPassenger · 06/01/2012 22:25

I've had CBT and schema therapy with a clinical psychologist, and we did talk about my past a bit, to give a context/background to what we were doing, so to me it seems a bit peculiar not to have touched on it at all, even if the main focus is more your thought processes in the here and now.

perceptionreality · 06/01/2012 22:26

Counselling can bring emotions to the surface but you should never feel bad or come away questioning yourself. Even if it is free I would suggest someone who makes you feel bad is probably just going to add to the damage you are trying to fix in the first place.

LeBOF · 06/01/2012 22:27

I think that's a shit thing to say. And I say that as somebody who has worked as a counsellor.