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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Thread number 93: Drive in the fasting lane to goal !

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BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2020 18:53

Welcome to the continuing thread for those following 5:2 or other forms of IF (Intermittent Fasting) such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8 Smile

The 5:2 diet was introduced by Michael Mosely on BBC Horizon on August 2012:

Basically it is 2 very low cal days ("fasts") per week - which need not be consecutive - and eat "normally" to maintain on the other 5 days.

For those who have dieted or maybe overeaten for years, eating "normally"
means roughly the number of calories your body needs to maintain - NOT reduce - its weight (see TDEE calculator below).

IMPORTANT
If you have had past diagnosed Eating Disorders or serious MH problems you should NOT do 5:2 or any other kind of fasting

ACRONYMS

16:8 is a different type of fasting, which can be combined with 5:2.
Daily zero-cal fast for 16 hours and eat within an 8 hour window. To lose weight, this needs a weekly calorie deficit as well

4:3 = fast on 3 non-consecutive days per week

ADF (Alternate-Day Fasting) = fast every other day

b2b (optional) back-to-back / consecutive fast days, each with an increased allowance of 650 calories instead of 500

BMI (Body Mass Index) healthy range is 18.5 - 24.9 for Caucasians. Upper limit may be 22 for some of Asian origin.

FD = single Fast Day: aim for 500 calories (600 for men or 25% TDEE whichever is higher) or 1000 cals for BF
No alcohol or junk on FDs
Even if you exercise strenuously, do NOT increase FD cals to allow for exercise

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a useful App or website to track food & drink calories

miniFD = MiniFD, 850- 1000 calories, no alcohol or junk

NFD = Non-Fast Day, averages around TDEE

NSV / LSV = Non Scale Victory / LifeStyle (change) Victory, e.g. compliment, smaller waist, clothes size

SV = Scale Victory

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, the average number of calories you burn in a day, is calculated (see calculators below) from your current weight, height, age, activity level.
Aim to average about this for NFDs.

WOE / WOL = Way Of Eating / Way Of Life. We say this instead of "diet", to emphasise that we must make a permanent change in how we eat, to mainitain our new healthy weight longterm.

HOW TO START

. Take initial measurements: weight, waist, hips
. Use TDEE calculator below if you need a rough guide to how much to eat on NFDs
. Choose any 2 days for FDs, non-consecutive is easier.
. Before each FD: plan, shop & calorie count ALL food & drink for the day

Useful Resources & Calculators

Calorie Counter: mfp
Rough Calories for NFD: Mosely TDEE Calc (exercisers: set activity level to one below what you think)
BMI: Calc
Body Frame Size: Calc
Goal Weight For BodyFrame
Calc
Body Fat: BFat Calc
Choose / Visualise Goal Weight:
3D BMI body types ripped to normal
Bod Vis Measurements & 3D rotate]]

Safe Alcohol Calc: Calc Units Cals

FD Recipes:
Mosely LowCarb , low carb Diet Doc
BBC Good Food 200-400 cal meals

BBC Good Food 500 cal meals ,
5:2 meal plans & recipes , Foodie Under 200 Cals
Vegetarian ,
FD Ready Meals & Fast Food

Any Day:
Meal Planner

FAQs / Tips

  • WATER: Start each day with a glass of water; and drink plenty during the day.
  • HOT DRINKS: No limits on tea or coffee, but on FDs count any milk / sugar calories.
  • SLEEP: Try to get enough sleep, or it may slow weight loss.
  • EXERCISE: is healthy & can help weight loss - BUT only if you do NOT eat back less than you burn. Fasted training can burn more fat.
HIIT and resistance training both work well with 5:2/IF.
  • FDs: If possible, choose days when you are busy, but not preparing meals for others.
Concentrate on protein & veg; avoid sugar or fruit juice. e.g. Stir-fries, soups & stews. Ready meals are OK.
  • BFers: start with 1000-cal FDs, optionally reduce to 700 cals gradually.
You can return to 1000 if growth spurts or sleep-deprivation require more fuel.
  • NFDs: No rules, but to improve health, try to cut down on added sugar & junk food, keep alcohol within safe limits. A few treats per week are fine.
  • Do NOT fast: if you've ever had EDs, or if pregnant, under 21, over-stressed, fever, stomach bug, even a bad cold.
  • CHECK with your Doctor: if you have diabetes, any other endocrine condition, any serious past or present medical condition, or if taking ANY prescribed medication (fasting may affect absorption rate)

Scientific Evidence for Fasting & Health

BBC article on the original Horizon program

Telegraph comments on 5:2 and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley, useful for newbies.

This InterviewPart1 and InterviewPart2 with leading ADF researcher Dr Varady explains why fasting helps you to lose weight AND improves some health markers.

Fasting boosts "autophagy" = recycling of old cells
Yoshinori Ohsumi won the 2016 Nobel prize for Medicine for research into autophagy
NOBEL Lecture “Autophagy – An Intracellular Recycling System”

Prof. R Taylor (Newcastle Uni) won the 2013 Diabetes UK Banting Prize for his Twin Cycle Hypothesis re the cause of type 2 diabetes: Twin Cycle Hypothesis T2
and showed a fasting diet could reverse T2

Dr Michelle Harvie (funded by cancer charities) showed possible benefits of intermittent fasting compared to standard daily calorie reduction in her trials (consecutive FDs) with women at high risk of breast cancer: ComparingDiets , EarlierResearch52

Dr Johnson showed intermittent fasting helped Asthma

HORMESIS & Why Intermittent Fasting Works: Mattson , BlackSwan and Hormesis

Molecular Mechanisms and Clinical Applications: J CellMetabolism
Recent research into the health benefits of fasting: e.g. by world-respected neuroscientist Dr MarkMattson (Mosely referred to his research) showed:

. Improved glucose regulation
. Loss of abdominal fat with maintenance of muscle mass
. Reduced blood pressure and heart rate
. Improved learning and memory and motor function
. Protection of neurons in the brain against dysfunction and degeneration in animal models of Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, stroke and Huntington’s disease.

Brain metabolism in health, aging, andneurodegeneration :
"lifestyles that include intermittent bioenergetic challenges, most notably exercise and dietary energy restriction, can increase the likelihood that the brain will function optimally and in the absence of disease throughout life"

He compared 5:2 to ordinary daily diets on overweight women with family history of breast cancer.
Fasting group lost more belly fat, retained more muscle & had slightly better blood sugar regulation.

More of his research is in HealthyAging , Health , AvoidParkinsonsDisease

His article in J Aging Mech Disease 2015 explains the health benefits of intermittent fasting in great scientific detail.

Why intermittent fasting and stopping snacking can lower your risk of serious diseases:
Meal frequency and timing in health and disease

Fasting can help maintain brain health during aging:
emboj.embopress.org/content/36/11/1474
"lifestyles that include intermittent bioenergetic challenges, most notably exercise and dietary energy restriction, can increase the likelihood that the brain will function optimally and in the absence of disease throughout life"

This interview with leading researchers into fasting in combination with standard cancer treatment: ScientificDiscussion MoselyMattsonLongo and a LongoInterview

NY Times Fasting Overview

Research by other US and European scientists in this DailyTelegraph Article about the medicinal uses of fasting, for many serious conditions & diseases.

Recent trials with Type 2 diabetics and those at risk of having it used a form of daily fasting - skipping supper.
Their conclusions: eating 1-2 meals per day is better than several small meals for losing weight and controlling insulin levels, see Type2Paper

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cerealkillah · 25/11/2020 08:54

Thanks all for the advice on calorie counting. @ginsparkles I went with nutracheck - it's brilliant! So user friendly. For the first time I actually tracked a NFD yesterday.
FD here for me today. I went for a walk this morning and bought a flat white with skimmed milk - only 52 calories! That equalled what I earnt while walking!!
Have a good day everyone.

Bottl · 25/11/2020 10:17

Well done @moonlight1705 and @KateMAB for yesterday and for getting through the first aid course!! I renewed mine in January so I'm happy to not have to think about that for a while now.

FD for me too @cerealkillah.

I haven't checked the freezer yet for dinner options Hmm

NibbleQueen · 25/11/2020 11:18

FD for me today, second one since starting. I have a leek & bean soup for lunch, dinner will be a squash, chestnut & farro soup and a clementine. HIIT session this morning. Jog a little bit after eating lunch.

I was thinking about doing a mini fast tomorrow too as it's just the case of adding breakfast, some fruit and a little treat after dinner.

NibbleQueen · 25/11/2020 11:19

Is anyone else early days like me?

ginsparkles · 25/11/2020 11:34

So I took @harriethoyle 's little nudge and am fasting today! Got up and took the dog for a super long walk, have just got home and made a cup of tea. Will have a salad later and then the sausage casserole.

Glad the recommendation helped @cerealkillah ! I like it, I find it really easy to use.

Have a good day everyone.

ListeningQuietly · 25/11/2020 11:36

Hi Nibble
There is a steady stream of newcomers
and some returners
and some who are getting the hang of it
and some who struggle
and old hands like me
BUT
all are welcome because we all want the same thing

  • to develop healthy eating habits that let us enjoy life at a healthy weight

so your comments as a newcomer to 5:2 are very helpful to remind others how the journey progresses

(that sounds a bit woo, but if you get your head into the right place, the body follows)

harriethoyle · 25/11/2020 13:57

Excellent work @ginsparkles!

Negative covid test for me, and ALL the sleep over the last two days and I feel like a new woman. We scattered my DM's ashes on Sat and it knocked me for 6 so I think that probably then led to my feeling utterly wiped out.

FD tomorrow and have been c.1200 cals Mon-Weds so only doing one FD this week shouldn't be catastrophic. Also staying strong on not drinking through the week which is pleasing me immensely...

ginsparkles · 25/11/2020 13:59

Thank you @harriethoyle .... glad your test was negative and your feeling better. So sorry for your loss Thanks

cerealkillah · 25/11/2020 16:27

So sorry for your loss @harriethoyle . Well done on not drinking though. I've not touched a drop since Saturday and am planning to hold out till Friday.

KylieKoKo · 25/11/2020 16:39

I've just got back from the shop and have brought my food for my fast day tomorrow. I'm feeling pretty unenthusiastic about fasting as my period is due in a few days and I feel compelled to stuff my face with Gregg's pasties and chocolate. Hopefully it won't be too painful!

harriethoyle · 25/11/2020 17:17

Thanks @ginsparkles @cerealkillah it's been a tricky few months although it feels like the worst might be over... Roll on 2021 😂 (apart from wedding fun times! Wine)

MazDazzle · 25/11/2020 17:47

FD for me today. Usually I save all of my cals for dinner, but I was working today and just felt so hungry so had a cup-a-soup for lunch. Not long finished a Thai curry ready meal for dinner. Came in at bang on 500. I’m cold and tired!

Glad I’ve had a good day as yesterday my glass of wine led to some serious snacking later on. I know, I know... Blush

ginsparkles · 25/11/2020 18:15

It's danger time for me now, I'm hungry but DH won't be home for another half an hour at the earliest. I am drinking like a fish in a hope that I won't eat!!! I'll be ending on 575 which is not bad for a at home FD.

Well done @MazDazzle ! The Thai curry meal sounds yum

cerealkillah · 25/11/2020 18:39

My FD has ended on 559 calories. I'm very happy with that.

ListeningQuietly · 25/11/2020 18:57

A decent day today.
Yoga online this morning
cottage cheese and a bit of fruit for lunch
afternoon walk was interrupted by having to rescue a baby hedgehog

now having baked leeks wrapped in ham under a mustard white sauce for supper with fresh bread

portion size is key - I now eat less than half what I used to put on my plate

5:2 Thread number 93: Drive in the fasting lane to goal !
MozzchopsThirty · 25/11/2020 19:00

Can anyone help?? I posted in low carb

Just need some advice

I'm low carbing 16:8 and fasting 4 days per week

I've bought explore green lentil pasta, but when I've put it in MFP this morning, it's more carbs than the same weight of wholemeal penne

This can't be right can it?????

What's the benefit to it if it's not low carb?

ListeningQuietly · 25/11/2020 19:05

Hi Mozz
Long time no see.

I have to ask WHY ?
Pasta is fab. Green lentils re fab. What do they do to turn one into the other ????
BUT
Lentils absorb a LOT less water than pasta
so that may be the answer
also
is MFP correct (it happens)

MozzchopsThirty · 25/11/2020 19:34

Hi @ListeningQuietly I've been very bad but this is my 3rd week back on the wagon
I'm really in the zone, training hard and eating really well.
Trying to cut out bread, potatoes, rice & pasta

The green lentil pasta was delicious, less bloating but more filling

harriethoyle · 25/11/2020 19:53

@ListeningQuietly awwww! ❤

cerealkillah · 25/11/2020 21:35

@ListeningQuietly the hedgehog is so cute!!

KylieKoKo · 25/11/2020 21:46

@listeningquietly that's adorable

moonlight1705 · 25/11/2020 21:48

Awww little hedgehog!

My mini stopped being a mini and became a normal day so will aim for a proper FD tomorrow.

I've just tried out nutracheck as well and it is wonderful, may go onto that for the future.

ListeningQuietly · 25/11/2020 21:58

Hedgehog mortality is high - the last three I've tried to help all died
(identified reasons)
but this little one tried to bite me so there is hope

and I will project that hope onto EVERYTHING

MazDazzle · 25/11/2020 23:06

It was from the coop ginsparkles. It’s from their Truly Irresistible range and makes a tasty and easy FD dinner at 400 cals.

I hope the feisty fella makes it Listening.

ginsparkles · 26/11/2020 06:50

Ooh we have a coop that I often pop into so will keep my eyes peeled for it @MazDazzle !

@ListeningQuietly fingers crossed for the little hog!

Weigh in morning today so I'm hoping all will be good, and now the trick is to not over eat over the weekend!!! Confused

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