Blood sugar diet and fast800 thread 20

[thenewaveragebear1983]

Thread 20, can you believe it?

Ooooh that’s great 👊

I must measure mine when I feel less bloated.

I made an excellent cauliflower mash yesterday. DPs dinner was panned fried sea bass on cauliflower mash with fine green beans. He tried to moan as he doesn’t like cauliflower but he ate it all and seemed pretty happy. Even said he felt really clear headed at work yesterday and definitely doesn’t seem as tired when he gets home. So he’s fully onboard with the lifestyle which makes my life a lot easier.

My main quandary now is the children. I’m starting to feel like I’m poisoning them by letting them eat cake and ice cream. I’m not so fussed by bread etc but the nasty refined carbs and sugar are guilting me. I think I’m going to try making some Keto baked goods/deserts etc and see if they notice. I need to put together a pantry list so I’ve got things like almond flour and Erythritol in stock. I’m also itching to make one of those crazy Keto loaves in my bread maker 🤭

[quote Kimlek]**@Lndnmummy* awww no! nibble’s* advice is good. Up your water intake too. Also, I was listening to a podcast yesterday talking about when specifically women plateau and they were saying that ‘sometimes’ cutting back on the dairy and nuts for a bit helps kickstart. So most of your 800 cals coming from proteins & low carb veg/salad and not too much fat. The caveat was providing you are not ravenous. So, if your not hungry but not losing then cutting back a tadge on the fats can help. However, if you’re ravenous then you need to keep the fats up for satiety. I found this interesting as eat a lot of nuts and dairy & never hungry - so may go a long way to explain why my progress has been slower than others.[/quote]
Thanks Kimlek; I am going to try that.
I am very much relying on the fats (nuts and avocado and dairy)for satiety and given my fear for hunger, it has been too much of a crutch for me.

And in my goal to keep carbs low, my vegetable intake has become down. Time to increase that too and to add more protein. Being a vegetarian, I used to look at the Quorn sausages as the go-to thing, for protein. But reading how processed they are, I had stopped using them. May be need to go back to it , even if just for a few weeks.

This must be a difficult WOE for vegetarians so I completely sympathise. In the podcasts they do often blame nuts and dairy for weight stalls and suggest upping your protein instead. So I wonder what that might look like if you can’t eat meat 🤔

Interesting neigh - I'm wondering the same thing. But at the same time, I don't want to be that parent (you know, the one that didn't let their children watch TV and whose kids were a bit odd as they couldn't join in discussions about Home & Away, Neighbours etc). I think it's a balance - carbs shouldn't be the focus of every meal (so replace the pasta with the courgetti) or a habitual thing (dessert with every meal). But at the same time, banning a food makes it more appealing, so I don't think it works to cut out cakes completely. Who knows - maybe in 30 years time dietitians will be looking back in horror at the "low carb" fad diets of the twenties, in the same way we look with horror at the low fat diets of the nineties?

Just discovered the LowCarbMD podcasts - thank you!!!! Have started listening to them as I work out, which helps keep me focused.

I found this houseRefurb. Could be worth a watch.
www.dietdoctor.com/lose-130-pounds-low-carb-vegetarian-diet

@WhatWillSantaBring

Interesting neigh - I'm wondering the same thing. But at the same time, I don't want to be that parent (you know, the one that didn't let their children watch TV and whose kids were a bit odd as they couldn't join in discussions about Home & Away, Neighbours etc). I think it's a balance - carbs shouldn't be the focus of every meal (so replace the pasta with the courgetti) or a habitual thing (dessert with every meal). But at the same time, banning a food makes it more appealing, so I don't think it works to cut out cakes completely. Who knows - maybe in 30 years time dietitians will be looking back in horror at the "low carb" fad diets of the twenties, in the same way we look with horror at the low fat diets of the nineties?

Just discovered the LowCarbMD podcasts - thank you!!!! Have started listening to them as I work out, which helps keep me focused.

Honestly keep listening to the podcasts and the science behind it all will just blow you away. There’s no way we’ll be looking back in horror at turning our backs on refined carbs and sugar. I listened to a cardiologist last night whilst star fishing in front of a fan and his discussion about low carb, statins and basically bullshit lies fed to us by drug companies was 😮. I’ll admit I do think I might be one step away from deciding Trump is reptilian and covid is a hoax but I do think critical thinking is a good thing.

Re. Kids I agree. I don’t plan on being one of the crazy ones as I’ve met plenty in my time and thought they were all whack jobs. Saying that I don’t feel comfortable spoon feeding some of the processed muck I’ve got in my house into my children’s mouths. So once it’s gone it will stay gone, but I won’t be trying to sanitise their food choices out of the house.

3kidsareenough
Cinnamon is known to help with controlling blood sugar levels
your DH might benefit from that possibly

Apparently it's the methane with lamb that's the problem, New Zealand lamb has more grass in their diet so I guess less methane produced and better for the environment even with transportation to uk. I think you might have been questioning the data in this research though nibble? Maybe the scientist was sponsored by New Zealand farmers!

Dc and I hardly eat lamb, and not massively keen on beef. This does mean we eat more than is healthy of pork sausages, ham and bacon though - esp now dh is vegetarian so it's no longer worth cooking joints when the kids will complain and eat so little of it causing waste. I guess if it's a smidge better for the environment to eat pork and chicken that's something!

2.5 down after day 1. 16.5 lbs to get out of obese range

Hi all, I’m a bit of a lurker, doing a second round of this having lost last year and managed to put on again due to injury and coronavirus comfort eating. Back on it now and lost 11.5lbs in 8 weeks- it’s stalled a bit recently. I have 2.5lbs to go to my original goal but actually I think would like to lose 5.5lbs more and see how I look at that.

I have a question about protein balance. I’m vegan so it’s a struggle to get anywhere near the recommended protein levels. Do you think if you don’t have enough it slows your weight loss? Is this mentioned by MM? according to Fitbit I tend to get about 35g protein 20%, 45%fat and 35% carbs.
Thanks

Also Pawtriarchy I like alpro plain soya yogurt, no added sugar. They do a greek one now too with more protein but the consistency is a bit odd for me.

Miffy i think the emphasis on protein is mainly to do with staying full on the low cals, preserving muscle mass and avoiding issues like hair loss. Your ratios look great - this diet is notoriously hard for vegans so you have done amazing!

Oh sorry I thought you had 35% protein. Apparently the aim is about 60g protein which is hard even as a meat eater. I think a lot of vegans tend to supplement with vegan protein shakes and chose soya yogurt and milk rather than nut based.

There is a vegetarian fast 800 recipes and support page on Facebook. One vegan suggested adding a sprinkle of hemp seeds, edamame beans or nutritional yeast to meals, snacking on dry roasted beans like fava beans or black beans. Looks as though quite a few people on there do eat quorn though - maybe it could be a treat a couple of times a week with main emphasis on making your own stuff with tofu?

Right I promise not post again for a bit now!

New Zealand lamb has more grass in their diet so I guess less methane produced and better for the environment even with transportation to uk.

Just to reiterate, vast majority of sheep eat grass. Not corn, not root crops, just grass with occasional tiny quantities of mineral supplements. No different to what the sheep in New Zealand eat! No magical difference between NZ and UK - both have mild, moist climates well-suited to pastoral agriculture, with extensive upland regions. As mentioned earlier, sheep farming is dramatically less intensive than something like dairy. And sheep produce less methane than cows, being very significantly smaller.

Omnivorous vs vegetarian diet not focus of thread, so don't want to push it and derail other, more useful conversations, but suggest we be skeptical of what we read. Many of us here naturally curious & questioning individuals - better we not suspend that instinct just because subject is meat / lamb.

Again, have no personal stake in this (other than background as farmer's son in Wales) but think it very odd that such low-intensity farming would be singled out. Anyway, no offence intended to anybody here, will let it drop now.

Thanks yumyumpoppycat I’m thinking I’ll try a protein powder for my porridge (already do a seed mix on it) and see if that helps. I think upping my TRE might be an idea too but I struggle with that!

Out west yes sorry to derail - my grandmother was a farmer in Ireland early 2000s before she became ill - def low intensity, grass fed etc. There is so much conflicting advice but people are trying to weigh up their choices and impact of these. I hadn't seen the thread had moved on when I posted that so apologise

Cross posting again sorry! Miffy that sounds like a good plan - I find it easier to fast in the evenings than mornings so you could try and see if that works a bit better for you too, just gradually make dinner a smidge earlier.

I have a Keto beef stroganoff in the slow cooker and it smells bloody gorgeous. I’m going to fry off some mangetout to go with it. DP now says he’s hardly hungry now, the hunger pangs have worn off, so I’m not sure if I need to add anything else 🤔

Last Tuesday was 72.1kg. Today, a week later, am at 71.9kg, having taken detour as far down as 71.3kg on Saturday, so trend is still down, but much shallower. Have been sticking to plan as far as diet goes. (Scales also claim fat has gone from 18.3% to 17.1% body weight over same period, but find that hard to believe as feel no different.)

Many others in the thread have been seeing something similar. Could it be heat, perhaps prompting water retention in some way?

Welcome to all the new starters. I’ve been off thread a few days, the weather has just wiped me out and can’t focus on anything!

I’ve managed to lose 2.8lb this week which takes me to the milestone of 4 stone loss in total. Still a way to go but feeling proud I’ve stuck with it so far.

@Miffytastic I did a lot of research around the macros last year when I first started as had really slow weight loss and your protein is quite low at 35g. There’s a decent rule that you should aim for the same amount in grams as your weight (or goal weight if your close) in kg. So when I was 80kg my first goal was 70kg so I aimed for 70-80g protein, now I’m 65kg I should be eating 65g. Etc etc.
To add, I was listening to a podcast recently talking about when specifically women plateau and they were saying that ‘sometimes’ cutting back on the dairy and nuts for a bit helps kickstart. So most of your 800 cals coming from proteins & low carb veg/salad and not too much fat. The caveat was providing you are not ravenous. So, if your not hungry but not losing then cutting back a tadge on the fats and upping the protein can help. However, if you’re ravenous then you need to keep the fats up for satiety.

Wow!!! @Dinnerfor1 that’s amazing! 🥳🥳

That does sound yummy @justanotherneighinparadise but isn’t it a bit too hot. Regardless, please share recipe and tell us where you’re getting your recipes from please as I’ve not seen that in my zillion cookbooks.

Well done @Dinnerfor1 that's amazing!

@Dinnerfor1 four stone is tremendous achievement

4 stone is amazing well done dinnerfor1