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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood sugar diet and fast800 thread 20

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 26/06/2020 10:41

Thread 20, can you believe it?

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justanotherneighinparadise · 10/08/2020 16:39

I honestly feel this has to be a long term lifestyle shift, we can’t carb creep and not expect the weight to go back on. It seems like some of the low carb specialists do do a small amount of carb cycling and will let the diet drift s tony bit over the holidays, but they expect to put weight back on and have to hi solidly low carb again to get it off.

NibbleQueen · 10/08/2020 16:47

I guess it's not really an "either or" situation with produce though. If someone makes the decision to shop to reduce environmental impact then they'd be thinking about non-vegan foods. Many of the vegans I know will not touch avocados or almonds for this reason, so essentially it's good to be informed. Lots of veg box schemes out there - I get riverford and although they do ship some produce from Spain, they are adamant that the overall footprint of this is less than growing them it in polytunnels in the UK.

Even locally produced meat has an enormous carbon footprint. Lamb for example is one of the worst and it only comes from Wales!

I spent a lot of time trying to prove the same theory @WhatWillSantaBring by looking at carbon footprint of real cheese vs vegan cheese made from coconut/cashew etc. Turns out I was wrong, even when shipping in ingredients from far and wide, plants are still lower impact by far (that's including agriculture, production and shipping)

I'm not trying to derail the discussion btw, it's just a concern for me as have been happily flexitarian for years.

ThePawtriarchy · 10/08/2020 16:59

Hi Everyone, I’m on day 2 and have 40 lbs to lose. I’m back at my highest after childbirth (9 years ago!). I feel ashamed and unwell with it, and scared I’ll slip back again. I’ve been scouring the books for really simple meals. I know it’s rubbish but I’m not a cook (I know I could follow the recipes but I just find it overwhelming and will give up).

So far I have eggs with smoked salmon, salads, yoghurt with berries (occasionally), avocado on toast etc. does anybody else have very simple recommendations please?

ThePawtriarchy · 10/08/2020 17:00

Oh, also, I’m trying to find out if dairy free yoghurt is ok instead but I think sugar might be an issue.

justanotherneighinparadise · 10/08/2020 17:09

@ThePawtriarchy I feel your pain. I had a few stock recipes that I mixed with oven food. Now that DP is onboard I’ve had to turn into a chef as he wants to eat an actual dinner instead of the nonsense I often eat (cheese wrapped in pepperoni wrapped in an iceberg lettuce leaf). I’ve just had to throw myself at it.

So far I made a very very nice beef curry which was super simple and DP thought it was one of the best curries he’d ever had! Last night I did poached salmon with crispy suede noodles and crispy skin on a bed of samphire and asparagus. I also did a mean fry up on Saturday and now that the Keto bread is on its way with only 0.9 carbs per slice, DP can have sandwiches and things like poached egg on toast. That’s going to make my life s million times better.

I’m on a few Facebook groups for fast800 and some of the recipes are fantastic. I particularly loved a recent one for flaxseed spinach bread. It looked absolutely lush and is in MM’s Gut health book.

justanotherneighinparadise · 10/08/2020 17:09

@ThePawtriarchy

Oh, also, I’m trying to find out if dairy free yoghurt is ok instead but I think sugar might be an issue.
I would look at the carbs at the back and make s decision based on that (assuming there are no added sugar of course).
ThePawtriarchy · 10/08/2020 17:20

Thanks @justanotherneighinparadise your Lettuce Wraps sounds like exactly the kind of thing I eat 🤣 I really need to get through a few days with simplicity so that I hit the less ravenous stage and then I think I will branch out a bit!

justanotherneighinparadise · 10/08/2020 17:25

This latest podcast is talking to this American lady who runs thekelliekitchen.com website that has tons of recipes. They look bloody lovely. God I wish someone would just come and cook for me 🤦🏻‍♀️

yumyumpoppycat · 10/08/2020 18:27

Ooh Just I saw that broccoli bread too on Facebook it looked great! That would be good with a poached egg. I have some cauliflower rice that's been in the freezer since about 2017 maybe I could try it with that?!

I am going to have to close the kitchen after a mug of coffee as i am on 809 cals. I am pleased at protein being 60g (chicken, eggs, tinned mackerel) but only 2 g of fiber so need to work on that!! Will need to try and buy some of the 'free' veg from the fast 800 book.

WeKnowFrogsGoShaLaLaLaLa · 10/08/2020 18:28

Which Facebook group is this please?

WhatWillSantaBring · 10/08/2020 18:51

Thanks @NibbleQueen for doing the research so I don’t have to! That’s interesting and will assuage my vegetable eating guilt (but probably not stop me eating Welsh lamb!).

@ThePawtriarchy - I think full fat Greek yogurt is meant to be the best option, or try Quark.

Just listening to the LowCarbMD podcast- really interesting (but another factor for me to worry about is my inability to burn fat).

NibbleQueen · 10/08/2020 18:51

Today's feedings totalled to about 900cals and 70g carbs. Overdid it slightly due to delicious beetroot in my veg box and extra snacks due to stress

L: scallop, tofu and green bean broth
S: greek yog & raspberries; smoked salmon; bit of cheese
D: roast mackerel, Asian beetroot salad, steamed spinach; 2x mochi for pud (definitely not low carb)

justanotherneighinparadise · 10/08/2020 19:14

What everyone can burn fat. You absolutely can do it. I know it’s not easy but once you’re in Ketosis your basically burning fat.

yumyumpoppycat · 10/08/2020 19:16

@WeKnowFrogsGoShaLaLaLaLa

Which Facebook group is this please?
I think it was the fast 800 diet community - annoyingly I didn't save the post
outwest · 10/08/2020 19:31

Lamb for example is one of the worst and it only comes from Wales!

Cannot understand logic behind this. Sheep arguably have lowest inputs of any livestock. Essentially in most areas, particularly Wales and other upland regions, sheep are hardy grazers of marginal land on which other animals would starve.

Fossil fuel inputs must be very low. Using expensive fertiliser (derived from fossil fuels or from finite natural resources in fossil fuel-intensive processes) to try to improve poor land on slopes a human can hardly walk across neither possible nor desirable.

Tractors hardly used, unlike in (very intensive) arable farming, except possibly for towing trailer on final trip to market. Farmer probably most often seen riding quad bike, one of most economical vehicles you can buy. Sheep seldom indoors (farmer who rents my land leaves his outdoors 365 days a year, even at lambing time) so electricity usage tiny compared to other livestock.

Sheep managed on the ground primarily by means of highly sophisticated, semi-autonomous canine assistant that uses no fossil fuels. After being butchered, transport no different to any other meat. All in all, sounds like anti-sheep industry propaganda, possibly from somebody like Monbiot.

Willing to be persuaded otherwise, but assumptions that underpin this argument deserve to be scrutinised, not accepted at face value.

Own view: nothing wrong with high-quality meat reared locally on grass and produced to high standards. My butcher knows the farms from which he buys his animals. This system has worked well for many hundreds of years in UK & Ireland - what better proof of sustainability can there be?

Beef from cattle from feedlots in Midwest, forced to eat feed derived from corn, with corn itself grown in huge monocultural plantings using massive fossil-fuel inputs and water from rapidly depleting aquifers? Different thing altogether.

Kimlek · 10/08/2020 20:40

@WhatWillSantaBring I think we need to post in the maintaina thread our thoughts etc more often for it to get traction.

Flibbertyjibbit · 10/08/2020 20:53

Can I join you all please? Have been talking about it for weeks, finally DH and I are starting the bsd on Wednesday when our weekly food shop delivery will bring us lots of meat and veg. Thanks so much for the recipe thread, lots of great ideas. I'm hoping as we're doing it together I will stick to this unlike past failed attempts to lose weight. DH has type 2 diabetes and overweight. My BMI is shocking, also have numerous health issues that would benefit from losing weight!

NibbleQueen · 10/08/2020 21:05

No anti-sheep propaganda here, lamb's one of my faves! But just to say I've been trying to prove that local meat>imported plants to relieve my conscience a little but have failed to find any compelling data - and this is with the bias of a non-vegan trying to give themselves the go-ahead!

Don't know if it's the heat or the low-carb or a combo of the two but I feel like I'm shuffling along today... Total exhaustion in my legs and sore calves. I've had tons of water and always have lots of salt. Anyone else especially pooped in the heat?

3kidsareenough · 10/08/2020 21:20

Hi fibberitygibit sounds like we're in the same boat! DH & myself started this today after watching the show. I've found it okay but it's been a struggle for DH, he's had a few blood sugar lows so it'll take a while to get the hang of it. I feel exhausted now so bed early (and that should keep me out of the kitchen) will see how the rest of the week works out. Good luck for Wednesday Smile

Ineedflour · 10/08/2020 22:09

3 lbs off this week.
I bought some of those Renpho scales. Gosh they give some scary types of data!

NibbleQueen · 11/08/2020 08:00

No loss today - still 9st9.6
Haven't been pooing as much and am probably a bit swollen from the heat. There's got to be at least a pound to come off when the weather and my digestion shift!

Patchworksack · 11/08/2020 08:01

Hi flibertigibbert I joined recently - my DH was diagnosed with T2 a month ago so we are both low-carbing. We've just been on holiday for a week and not put any weight on, so calling that a win!

justanotherneighinparadise · 11/08/2020 08:13

@NibbleQueen

No loss today - still 9st9.6 Haven't been pooing as much and am probably a bit swollen from the heat. There's got to be at least a pound to come off when the weather and my digestion shift!
Don’t worry, no loss from me either and I’ve been 100% on plan. I too think it’s a combination of heat abs needing a poo 🤣
NibbleQueen · 11/08/2020 08:37

Glad to hear it's not just me, neigh!
The tape measure did show waist is now comfortably past 28", so that's progress at least

houseRefurb · 11/08/2020 08:40

Hello all and welcome folks who have joined the thread recently

Great thread to share tips and ask Qs. Good luck to everyone.

SallyOMalley, as many have said already, don't look at the scales, just focus on all the good habits/choices you are making using this as a tool.
My weight loss has been painfully slow. I have done abt 8 weeks and a bit I think. I have lost around 5-6kgs and need to lose another 8 with an interim goal of 3 kgs. Though these numbers might seem small, in my case, because of the pace of the loss, it is long haul.
I am not sure if I fit the bracket of peri-menopause even. I have started doing kettlebell workouts recently and I have always enjoyed weights and resistance training. Walk 5k every day. So, I am focusing on all those things.

The biggest change for me is that I am not a slave to my hunger pangs, as I used to be. I used to be really scared of being hungry, because I would end up with severe headaches. Now, I can easily fast for 18hrs and sometimes even more. It surely must have been some blood sugar/insulin resistance thing.

justanotherneighinparadise, Thank you for the podcast suggestions. Please continue to post if you come across really good ones. There are so many of them on the lowcarbMD podcasts. You posted abt the Dr Jay Wrigley one and I found it very useful. I am trying to increase my protein intake a bit now, which isn't always easy when you are vegetarian.

I listened to one more, which talked about the importance of salt, Episode 24. Very different from the general medical advice of low salt.
Magnesium levels seem to be another one that gets discussed a lot on those podcasts.

On the topic of choice of food,
I am a vegetarian, and leaning towards vegan.
I am spending more money on the food shopping (nuts and avocados and good quality olive oil are expensive) and I have stopped to wonder about it. But, I have told myself that the quantity of food I eat is much
much less than before. The age-old Quality over quantity proposition, I suppose Smile

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