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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood sugar diet and fast800 thread 20

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 26/06/2020 10:41

Thread 20, can you believe it?

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NibbleQueen · 04/08/2020 15:45

I think I already asked this, but I'm not sure if I got many replies!

How many grams of carbs do you think is most effective to lose weight? I'm eating mostly protein and above-ground veg but my carbs are still coming in at around 50g a day. I wonder if there's a list of the best veg?

Dinnerfor1 · 04/08/2020 16:15

@NibbleQueen I don’t know for sure but I’m sure I’ve seen people say to aim for 50g or under. I don’t follow the online programme but on the Facebook group I follow people talk about there being a list of “free” veg, which you should fill half your plate with and don’t need to count. I’ll see if I can find it, but I think it’s mainly all the green, non-starchy veg.

justanotherneighinparadise · 04/08/2020 16:38

Some people say under 80g. Some under 50g. Some under 25.

Justasecondnow · 04/08/2020 21:21

Hi all, still hanging in there. Done some one meal a day to switch things up. Really struggling to track properly and not let stuff creep in. I think where I now am I have less of the push of the push pull motivation! Now all my clothes fit, healthy bmi etc. There’s less push, still have the pull of really getting securely in a healthy waist measurement and I guess the vanity side of things (I still have my mum tum, it’s just smaller!) but ultimately I’m a lot more comfortable in my self and feel pretty good! So I want a glass of wine at the weekend, and to relax a bit without thinking that’s it won’t lose this week. 11 weeks of this feels like plenty!!

I think I would say I’ve done well enough and go to maintenance now except I know it will be tough for me to get right and I could do with more of a buffer. I want to stay in the 9’s and not creep back to the 10 bracket - and I’m 9.12 now. I now don’t think 9.7 will happen in next week and a bit. But maybe another 2-3lbs... we shall see.

Anyway well done Dinnerfor1 on your NSV! Having clothes fit and feel good is even better than scales I think!

And congrats on your healthy BMI
justanotherneighinparadise did it say on your pod cast how strict the fast had to befit autophagy btw? I can cope without food til lunch easy. But really need my morning cuppa with a fairly generous splash of milk.

outwest · 04/08/2020 22:16

Coffee, chicken noodle soup, and skinny cottage pie for 597 kcals. It was all going so well - until the bilberry pie appeared. Well over 1,000 cals, maybe closer to 1,500...

Kimlek · 04/08/2020 22:19

@NibbleQueen if you’re only having 800cals the idea is that you shouldn’t need to worry too much about carbs. If you want to do Keto you need to aim for 20g or so. A lot of people on BSD try to stay under 50g. I’d find 20g impossible to maintain every single day so 50g is more realistic but every now and then (once a week?) I can easily go 70/80. But when you look at what a cereal breakfast, sandwich lunch and pasta dinner would be then it’s all relative!
I’ve had another couple of days away eating out for lunch & dinner for both days (including a sarnie, pudding and potatoes!) So no idea what calories or carbs but not going to be great. Will weigh in am before another 2 days working away and at the whim of hotel type food.

Kimlek · 04/08/2020 22:21

Bilberry pie sounds fab @outwest but is someone sabotaging your endeavours?

NibbleQueen · 04/08/2020 22:27

Thanks all for the carby feedback! Today I was 45g carbs and everything I had was protein or veg (with exception of 8g carbs used on strawberries) so I imagine that under 20g would be little else but proteins. I don't think I could sustain that for any period of time and I think the evidence suggests that the best diet you can go on is one you find it easy to stick to.

outwest · 04/08/2020 22:29

"Bilberry pie sounds fab but is someone sabotaging your endeavours?"

Yes @Kimlet it was and they are. Unfortunately the saboteur was me. Grin

Basically the family picked bilberries on mountain yesterday, so I made pie for kids - was good. Ate too much of it myself - not so good. Have been pretty well-behaved, but over past few weeks have noticed the odd dessert creeping in. Currently hovering 200g above my lowest weight of past 30-odd years, so not a problem yet, but need to squash the habit.

NibbleQueen · 05/08/2020 07:33

Morning all, managed to stick to my plan yesterday and clocked in at 750 cals w 45g carbs. Sticking to plan is actually hugely motivating, even though scales still show 9st12.6 (hardly surprising since 2 days ago I was guzzling everything under the sun). I wonder if its better to weigh weekly or twice a week rather than every day - although a daily weigh-in is also a reminder to be good

justanotherneighinparadise · 05/08/2020 08:12

So I’ve found the magic bullet!!! YAY! The fasting combined with low carb is miraculous. My weight has dropped 2lb in two days and my stomach is disappearing. So happy! Grin. It’s really doable for me too, not difficult at all. I eat in the morning, I eat at lunch, then i fast till the following morning. I allow myself cups of tea so I’m not perfect. I’m also not hungry so there’s no pain involved.

Unbelievably my DP is now doing the same thing. Not for weight loss (although he could do with losing a stone) but for energy as this WOE is just excellent for avoiding the afternoon slumps. He started yesterday and I’ve sent him off today with a Keto anti-pasto lunch and cream for his coffee so he doesn’t have sugar. Yesterday he sent a sad begging text asking if he could eat an apple inbetween meals and I said no 🤣🤣🤣. I’m evil.

Kimlek · 05/08/2020 09:38

141 pounds (10stone 1lb) so only a lb above my goal. However I think I need to move the goalposts to 136lbs. And also tone up! I’m not doing the 800 calorie restriction but will continue morning fasting and low carb. I’m in no hurry for next 5lbs. Would anyone be interested in a maintenance thread? I feel that’s what I need to do really but would still like this kind of support and thrashing around of ideas etc.

justanotherneighinparadise · 05/08/2020 10:16

Brilliant Kimlek. Well done 👏👏👏👏 what BMI are you aiming for? I got to 23 last year and was pretty happy so I guess I’m aiming for there again although the lowest i got to as an adult was 10 stone 3 with slimming world six years ago which was a BMI of 22. I guess I’m going to have to just see how I go this time 😬

My personal experience of maintenance is that it’s bloody hard and really it’s just the diet continuing with a few more calories here and there. So I’m sure everyone would be more than happy for you to stay on the thread but you may want to be free lol

outwest · 05/08/2020 11:01

Quick note on progress for those just beginning the diet: it does work.

Started this way of eating on 5 May 2020 at 90kg. Three months later to the day, on 5 August 2020, am 72.1kg, meaning a loss of 17.9kg (40lbs), or a bit under 3 stone, in three months. Lowest since university days, excluding 71.9kg recorded two days ago. Body fat has gone from 28.6% to 18.0% over the same period, if you believe scales. Waist has gone from 36"+ to 32". Basically have taken a 16:8 approach throughout - eat between midday and 7:30 PM only. Weigh myself daily.

Personal experience is that sticking to the plan and using bona fide low-cal recipes from the book/s generates results. Think it has been important that have not tried to wing it with random "aah, this'll be OK" recipes and that have counted cals properly. Counting/weighing is boring but keeps me honest. Apart from sticking to "approved" recipes, did not pay much attention to carbs.

Have not felt unwell, dizzy, or faint. Have not been hungry either, maybe peckish mid-afternoon once or twice, but a single small apple fixes that (and may have just been "mouth boredom"). Had "disaster" days where totally blew over 800-kcal limit, but very few, maybe half a dozen or so in three months. Even on those days, probably did not exceed TDEE.

However, "it works if you keep to it" may be truism. Presumably many balanced diets would work IF you kept to them. More interesting question is, why has it been easy to keep to this WoE? (Note: have counted/cut calories in the past, but never actually followed a published diet.)

Think there are two main factors.

  1. Recipes make tasty, filling food that, despite vegetable-heavy content, would happily eat even if not on a diet. Obviously subjective issue, but note that while I like veg, have no problem eating/enjoying high quality meat and fish, so did not come into this from vegetarian angle.

  2. Large deficit means weight loss (and loss of inches around waist etc.) is rapid, which is in turn very motivating, because goal is visible right from the start - just 8 weeks away! In 2017, lost nearly 10kg but took 7 months, felt like eternity and was so hard. Blood Sugar Diet has enabled me to lose about twice as much in half the time.

Am not quite done with diet, as want to get down to 70kg before taking stock. Real challenge lies beyond that: maintaining weight loss!

For maintenance, plan to go 5:2, with two consecutive fast days of 800 kcals each on Monday/Tuesday every week. Have been doing 16:8 for past decade in any case, and will keep to that. Will generally be trying to stay close to 2,000 kcals or so on non-fast days (reasonably active male but in sedentary job). In combination with fasting days, hope this will average out to something close to TDEE, allowing me to maintain weight. Will play by ear.

Intend to keep contributing with maintenance snippets, if that is appropriate for this thread.

WhatWillSantaBring · 05/08/2020 11:08

Hi @Kimlek - that's brilliant! I'm a pretty similar position, as I've reached my goal (ish), and have moved into a maintenance phase with exercise (a lot) as I'd like to be a lot fitter than I am. I was also thinking of a maintenance thread for low carb and IF (but can't decided where it would fit).

I've sent my MFP app to "lose 0.5kg a week" so I think about 400cals below my TDEE to see what happens. This gives me about 1500 cals a day, and I'm experimenting with my macros. I think i'll struggle to get my carb/fat/protein levels too far away from 30%/40%/30%, even though I'm eating meat and veg only. I'd like to add in some limited whole grains for variety.

I'm also doing significantly more exercise - 30 mins cardio every day and three weight sessions. I was knackered last night, so wonder if this is sustainable? After reading the two AIBU threads on the healthy habits of slim people, I think serious exercise is probably a necessity for me if I want to have a life (i.e. drink alcohol and socialise).

WhatWillSantaBring · 05/08/2020 11:39

Ok, so I started a maintenance thread. I don't mean to steal anyone away, so hope no-one minds if I do. It's on the Weight Loss Chat topic, so as to include people who haven't considered fasting (e.g. low carbers, Weight Watchers). I'll see how it goes Grin

link here Maintenance Thread

Kimlek · 05/08/2020 12:06

🤣🤣 so have but I’ve kept it on this 5:2/BSD as I’m wary of people giving me a hard time about fasting. No idea how to link though. How do I do that please?

bluepixie · 05/08/2020 12:41

Hi guys! I disappeared of the thread for a while! I’ve had a months break with my bday / anniversary / various other celebrations. Then I just couldn’t get back on it and kept trying and failing. But I’m in right head space now.
As I result I have gained some weight and hadn’t even got to goal yet! ( I was 10.7-10.9 kept Fluctuating) and am now 10.13 (current bmi 24.6)

Oh dear! So back on it today.

Brekkie greek yog and strawberries
Lunch salmon salad with a babybel
Dinner cod and broccoli

I do better with 3 smaller meals. My downfalls r weekends and have plans this weekend again(!)

So here I go again. 10.13 start weight

Kimlek · 05/08/2020 13:05

@Cream123 welcome back!

CurseryKinkajoo · 05/08/2020 13:24

Hello, I’ve been lurking around on here but have decided to go for it. I peaked at 17stone during lockdown. My heaviest ever Sad. I’m 5ft10 so that gives a BMI of 34.15

I was unwell a couple of weeks ago and the medication I was on suppresses my appetite. I used this to go back to 16:8 eating and reduce portion sizes. I’m now down to 16st7lb.

I went for a walk with my old running partner last night and we were talking about MMs program tonight. She has done WW historically and lost 2 stone on SW a few years ago but put it all back in again. 16st7lb was my start point back then when I started it so at least I’m currently no worse off Smile

When I worked, I accidentally ate is an approximate 16:8 pattern - no breakfast until 11/12ish then tea fine by 6ish. I didn’t lose weight but I didn’t gain either. It was a very sedentary desk job though.

I left at the start of the year to work for myself from home (great timing Hmm) so in theory can work to fit round exercise! I was doing C25K with the DC until I broke a toe in May! I’m now trying really hard to do daily yoga and a walk to get 10000 steps in.

So that leaves diet (and a Star if you’re still reading - sorry). I have set up MFP for 1400 calories and 53g carbs, 175g protein and 54g fat. Does this seem about right for proportions (I’m on the free version so have to do %). I know that the Fast800 should be 800 calories daily but is this a short term thing?

I’m not sure whether I want to do Fast800 or BSD or what - I have looked at MMS website and confused myself so much so I don’t know where to start really. I thought I’d go back to basics and start with the main meal being grilled meat/fish with veg, lunch bring egg/cheese salad based (no bread) and breakfast being yogurt & fruit. Does that sound about right?! Plus plenty of water and black coffee/peppermint tea.

Justasecondnow · 05/08/2020 13:47

Hello, funny it’s been said fasting is part of magic bullet. I did one meal a day last 2 days and have finally moved from 9.12 to 9.11 - been 9.12 for weeks. Might try to incorporate omad & longish no eating period in the day. Glad tea doesn’t seem to derail too much.

Re. a maintenance thread I am moving to that in a week and a half but want to keep posting to stay motivated. Would be happy to do here if that’s not too annoying to those really on it or on a separate thread if that suits better? Ooh I’ve read on and now there are two maintenance threads to choose from. An embarrassment of riches!

Anyway just had tea so far today then bubble and squeak (minus the potato later) going ok I think.

Ps. Hi Cream! You might have missed bear is having a break from these threads. I hope she’s doing good!

Justasecondnow · 05/08/2020 13:51

Ps. Hi CurseryKinkajoo If you have a look at the opening post there is some quite good info.

BSD is generally 800cals for 8 weeks and low carb Mediterranean style diet
Fast 800 is above but the 800 cal bit is only 2 weeks

But you can ease yourself in/adjust as suits Smile

justanotherneighinparadise · 05/08/2020 14:16

I think the fasting just allows your body to use the fat for energy. I know when I’ve entered fat burning as I’m just not hungry. DP is only two days in and once again I got a sad text at lunch saying he was still hungry (I did let him have the apple lol). So I’m going to cook some Keto egg and bacon muffins and see if that takes the edge off it.

bluepixie · 05/08/2020 16:13

Hi kimlek

Whoop whoop to h getting to goal
Well done! I’m so far behind I’m no not ur twin
How do u feel at 10.1??? I must say I felt good at 10.7 so I think I slacked off and hence the gain!

WeKnowFrogsGoShaLaLaLaLa · 05/08/2020 18:31

Evening all, anyone else watching the diet get ripped to shreds on Twitter? Michael
Mosley was on This Morning today talking about tonight's show on C4.

Anyway, still working my way down through the last 7lbs towards that interim goal of 4stone. Lovely to read about people being so nearly there, and the need for a maintenance thread!

Today I fasted until 12, had cauliflower cheese for lunch, then chicken and chorizo bake with veg and salad for tea. I've done two body project workouts and cycled 22km. I started fasting again an hour ago.

I'm happily in the no craving zone now, so I'm just going to keep on going!

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