Blood sugar diet and fast800 thread 20

[thenewaveragebear1983]

Thread 20, can you believe it?

Evening all, anyone else watching the diet get ripped to shreds on Twitter?

@WeKnowFrogsGoShaLaLaLaLa Closed down Twitter account last year as felt it was - on balance - a destructive influence on my life, so can't see it any more. Mind telling us what are they saying about diet? The usual "Haven't tried it myself but I know it won't work" approach? Or are they taking the "This is just DANGEROUS" tack?

Dangerous, encouraging eating disorders, we will all put it all right back on again plus more, being downright vile to MM and his wife. Not great reading. Be interested to see the reactions after all three shows have aired.

Opinions are like arseholes and they’re all signed up to Twitter.

Closing at 850!

Thing with all “ diets “ is if u stop fully of course u put it back on! U have to change things in ur life and be mindful forever of what your eating. I’ve made a number of good changes since starting this - I hardly ever have white rice / white bread / jam juice etc anymore. (Cakes and choc another story!)

Dangerous, encouraging eating disorders, we will all put it all right back on again plus more

Thank you. It's odd, isn't it. Those who would celebrate obesity as something innate like skin colour or height or sex insist that nothing will work to reduce weight, by which logic they are justified in doing nothing, because all actions lead to failure.

But people did used to be thinner 30-40 years ago - this is statistical fact, and many of us have personal memories of it too - so if this supposedly innate "set point" characteristic exists, it must be variable.

So something has changed to cause that, and it can't be genetics, not in a single generation. How do "set point" fatalists explain this? How can our collective "set point" have changed (increased) so much? Perhaps because there is no set point. People are simply fatter because they're eating more (for complex reasons), but that doesn't mean the problem cannot be solved.

More interestingly, if we could find what changed to make so many of us fat (probably multiple factors but let's call it "X"), and reverse it, then logically we should be able to reverse obesity. But the "set point" fatalists would have us believe it is impossible to change weight.

Suspect that even if we could isolate factor X, those who defend obesity would actually campaign against reversing it and making us thin again. Being "right" seems to be more important to a certain hard core of extremists than their own health or that of the general population.

(Of course, being nasty to people because they are overweight is just that: nasty. Nobody should do it. That doesn't mean we have to accept the argument that being overweight is harmless, or inevitable.)

Finishing up on 970 cals / 41g carbs
Did a quick 20 mins yoga and a tiny bit of walking the dog but have been mostly inactive
L: Cauliflower, caper and roasted pepper salad; blue cheese; chorizo; chocolate mochi (wicked husband brought them home)
D: steamed salmon, broccoli and sugar snap peas in Asian broth; strawberries

No change on the scales today but hopefully soon, its only been 3 days including today

Well done to everyone on their progress, sounds like we have lots of people happy with themselves!

Didn't see the programme, but I have myself questioned how a low-carb diet can be considered mediterranean, with pulses and starches being so prominent in the cuisine! But I don't really mind what it calls itself as long as it works.

@Cream123 I felt good at 10.7 too. But my fancy scales said my body fat was high and I was only just at 25 bmi (if I remember rightly). I actually feel no different at 10.1 but it’s only been a day or so and fancy scales say body fat 30% despite BMI 23. So I think I need stay at this weight but build muscle - so still losing ‘fat weight’ if that makes sense.

I have myself questioned how a low-carb diet can be considered mediterranean, with pulses and starches being so prominent in the cuisine!
Yes, it must be a different Mediterranean than we know.... that most definitely ignores Italy... but we get the idea!
I’ve not seen the tv prog either nor looked on twitter.... the latter tends to infuriate me. Let them crack on; more fool them. There’s actually a decent amount of research on this woe; around a decades worth. They should check out Jason Fung!

One off overnight
I find I manage to loose one a day for the first 5 days back on track . Shame I’ve started mid week with weekend looming! Will have to get the steps in and be super good brekkie and lunch.

Interesting kimlek which scales - I may get some too! Might get a shock!

Popped on here to have a nosey after watching the channel 4 programme last night.
Was going to order the fast 8 book but I see you all seem to recommend the bsd instead so I've ordered that.

My aim is to have a read over the weekend and hopefully start on Monday.

I have 3 stone minimum to lose which seems very daunting so just going to take it a stone at a time.

Currently quite worried about not having breakfast as it's my fave meal of the day and I tend to feel sick very quickly if I'm hungry.

Hi TheOriginalNutty you can have breakfast if you want - just within 800 cals and with BSD principles... like eggs is a good one. You could try to just push breakfast a little later and have One meal later in day... or budget your cals for three meals still (although I find that tough!) you can adjust to suit you

@TheOriginalNutty I’ve found it immensely interesting and helpful to learn about the science of low carb bit just focus on a diet that you hope to stick to short term. Low carb and fasting really is a lifestyle choice dedicated to health primarily with the added advantage of weight loss.

I listen to podcasts while I do mundane tasks and I LOVE it.

*not just

Hi @TheOriginalNutty - I was the same as you - breakfast was such an important meal for me, that I really clung on to the "I CANNOT give up breakfast". I pushed it later and later, but I still have it (just at 11am, followed by lunch about 90 mins later ).

I missed the programme last night (DH was away so I was catching up on films he refused to watch - last night was Lawrence of Arabia) but will have to find it to watch on catch up. @outwest - that's a really good argument about the set point theory. I was thinking about it on my dog-walk this morning, as I find it such a depressing theory. I worry that I am now at my "set point", because this is a weight I've been at many many times in my life (and it's a stone more than I'd like). However, when I think about it, there was a time in my life when I had a very active job, and my weight was a good stone lighter, without even trying.

One of the factors is probably the normalising of portion sizes - if you look at the size of crisps as an example - I'm sure I'm right in saying that when we were kids, 25g was the standard size. Now they mostly seem to be in 40g bags. Or worse, you buy a "sharing bag" at 150g, and "share" that bag between three (or if you have 4 guests or more, you'll almost certainly open two bags). 25g of crisps now looks tiny. Same for cakes (I NEVER saw a "triple" decker cake as a child, and always ate fairy cakes (tiny) rather than cup cakes (about twice the size). So now if you offer me a single fairy cake, I'll probably feel cheated.

Hmmm. Off to think some more about this. Such an important topic. (and much more interesting than the webinar I'm supposed to be listening to on procurement in the Republic of Ireland).

@TheOriginalNutty it does feel daunting when you have a lot to lose, but I started the Fast800 at the end of April and have now lost 3 stone 12lb, so it can come off quite quickly. I still have quite a bit to lose though 😬

Having a nice feta salad for lunch and then roast chicken and celeriac chips for dinner. I also need to try and fit in a workout somewhere in between sitting on the sofa watching the cricket...

@Cream123 they’re Renpho scales £30 from amazon - the scales themselves just tell you your weight but Info is fed into the renpho app. I got them in May after my 1stone off. Love them.

I’ve got the same scales and can recommend 👍

@TheOriginalNutty I’d recommend The Obesity Code or any YouTube or podcasts with Jason Fung. Very interesting stuff. But maybe a bit overwhelming at this stage. he’s all about combining fasting with low carb and doesn’t really support low calorie per se. I think a mixture of the 3 works very well to lose weight and then just low carb with fasting to maintain. Planning is crucial. Pop your menu into a counter before popping in your mouth. I’ve learnt that the hard way. When I’ve planned I’ve lost; when I don’t plan I don’t lose.
Re fasting, your choice at this stage and maybe leave that for now and introduce once you’re settled in or hit a plateau or maintaining etc. You can definitely have breakfast if you want but be mindful of what it is. I don’t because I’m NEVER hungry until 11/1130 so I may as well wait a bit. Having said that I can be a bit of a bugger for after dinner nuts AND I eat dinner late, so not great! Many have an ‘eating window’ of 8 hours which then gives you a 16hr fast each day. This alongside low carb works well. BUT if you’re doing 800cals then focus on that and low carb and introduce fasting later if needs be. I’ve rattled on, sorry!!

@justanotherneighinparadise they’re surprisingly good for £30 aren’t they? Only thing is, if I lie about my age and put in considerably younger I get better body fat & muscle mass. I think it knows due to my age I’m a bit tubbier than if I was 30. 🤣🤣

I darent use the app alongside them at the moment as the last time I did it demanded to know if it was me as my weight was do different to the last time I’d stepped on there 🤣

The more I listen to the podcasts the more they reiterate just how important the fasting aspect is and to be honest I don’t find it difficult it’s just a weird feeling to know you can’t eat.

I used to do OMAD a lot and then went onto 36 hour fasts. I have a thing about eating in the morning so the best way for me to fast 36 hours is to eat a big breakfast and then eat again the next day at lunch. It’s doable but I’d probably only want to do it once a week as I found it a bit depressing. I don’t want to be counting down time on my watch as I think you’re just counting down your life.

I used to do OMAD a lot and then went onto 36 hour fasts.

What was reasoning behind going for 36-hour fasts @justanotherneighinparadise? You wanted to lose more quickly? (OMAD is probably quite challenging for most.)

@outwest

I used to do OMAD a lot and then went onto 36 hour fasts.

What was reasoning behind going for 36-hour fasts @justanotherneighinparadise? You wanted to lose more quickly? (OMAD is probably quite challenging for most.)

That was exactly the reason. I just keep stalling and wanted to really step it up. It worked! But it got too depressing and that’s not sustainable.

Renpho scales £20 on amazon at the moment. You need to tick the ' use a voucher' box.

First loss this week, am 9st11 as of this morning, loss of 1.5lbs May have been helped along by a dicky tummy yesterday as I find it hard to believe fat loss can happen in 3 days...

Today
L: tuna nicoise
S: cherry tomatoes, a miniscule slurp of husband's milkshake
D: will be cauliflower and roasted pepper salad + skate wings in caper butter; greek yog and blueberries

If I don't diverge from this plan today will end up at 815cals / 42g carbs