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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Thread number 87: It's my body and I can if I want to

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/09/2019 17:38

Welcome to the continuing thread for those following 5:2 or other forms of IF (Intermittent Fasting) such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8 Smile

The 5:2 diet was introduced by Michael Mosely on BBC Horizon in August 2012:

Basically it is 2 very low cal days ("fasts") per week - which need not be consecutive - and eat "normally" to maintain on the other 5 days.

For those who have dieted or maybe overeaten for years, eating "normally"
means roughly the number of calories your body needs to maintain - NOT reduce - its weight (see TDEE calculator below).

IMPORTANT
If you have had past diagnosed Eating Disorders or serious MH problems you should NOT do 5:2 or any other kind of fasting

ACRONYMS

16:8 is a different type of fasting, which can be combined with 5:2.
Daily zero-cal fast for 16 hours and eat within an 8 hour window. To lose weight, this needs a weekly calorie deficit as well

4:3 = fast on 3 non-consecutive days per week

ADF (Alternate-Day Fasting) = fast every other day

b2b (optional) back-to-back / consecutive fast days, each with an increased allowance of 650 calories instead of 500

BMI (Body Mass Index) healthy range is 18.5 - 24.9 for Caucasians. Upper limit may be 22 for some of Asian origin.

FD = single Fast Day: aim for 500 calories (600 for men or 25% TDEE whichever is higher) or 1000 cals for BF
No alcohol or junk on FDs
Even if you exercise strenuously, do NOT increase FD cals to allow for exercise

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a useful App or website to track food & drink calories

miniFD = MiniFD, 850-1000 calories, no alcohol or junk

NFD = Non-Fast Day, averages around TDEE

NSV / LSV = Non Scale Victory / LifeStyle (change) Victory, e.g. compliment, smaller waist, clothes size

SV = Scale Victory

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, the average number of calories you burn in a day, is calculated (see calculators below) from your current weight, height, age, activity level.
Aim to average about this for NFDs.

WOE / WOL = Way Of Eating / Way Of Life. We say this instead of "diet", to emphasise that we must make a permanent change in how we eat, to mainitain our new healthy weight longterm.

HOW TO START

. Take initial measurements: weight, waist, hips
. Use TDEE calculator below if you need a rough guide to how much to eat on NFDs
. Choose any 2 days for FDs, non-consecutive is easier.
. Before each FD: plan, shop & calorie count ALL food & drink for the day

Useful Resources & Calculators

Calorie Counter: mfp
Rough Calories for NFD: Mosely TDEE Calc (exercisers: set activity level to one below what you think)
BMI: Calc
Ideal Weight & Body Frame Size: Calc Wt Frame
Body Fat: BFat Calc
Choose / Visualise Goal Weight:
3D BMI body types ripped to normal
Bod Vis Measurements & 3D rotate]]

Safe Alcohol Calc: Calc Units Cals

FD Recipes:
Mosely LowCarb , low carb Diet Doc
BBC Good Food 52 , BBC Good Food 500 cal meals ,
Good2Know , Foodie Under 200 Cals
Vegetarian ,

FD Ready Meals, Fast Food

Any Day:
Meal Planner

FAQs / Tips

  • WATER: Start each day with a glass of water; and drink plenty during the day.
  • HOT DRINKS: No limits on tea or coffee, but on FDs count any milk / sugar calories.
  • SLEEP: Try to get enough sleep, or it may slow weight loss.
  • EXERCISE: is healthy & can help weight loss - BUT only if you do NOT eat back less than you burn. Fasted training can burn more fat.
HIIT and resistance training both work well with 5:2/IF.
  • FDs: If possible, choose days when you are busy, but not preparing meals for others.
Concentrate on protein & veg; avoid sugar or fruit juice. e.g. Stir-fries, soups & stews. Ready meals are OK.
  • BFers: start with 1000-cal FDs, optionally reduce to 700 cals gradually.
You can return to 1000 if growth spurts or sleep-deprivation require more fuel.
  • NFDs: No rules, but to improve health, try to cut down on added sugar & junk food, keep alcohol within safe limits. A few treats per week are fine.
  • Do NOT fast: if you've ever had EDs, or if pregnant, under 21, over-stressed, fever, stomach bug, even a bad cold.
  • CHECK with your Doctor: if you have diabetes, any other endocrine condition, any serious past or present medical condition, or if taking ANY prescribed medication (fasting may affect absorption rate)

Scientific Evidence for Fasting & Health

BBC article on the original Horizon program

Telegraph comments on 5:2 and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley, useful for newbies.

This InterviewPart1 and InterviewPart2 with leading ADF researcher Dr Varady explains why fasting helps you to lose weight AND improves some health markers.

Fasting boosts "autophagy" = recycling of old cells
Yoshinori Ohsumi won the 2016 Nobel prize for Medicine for research into autophagy
NOBEL Lecture “Autophagy – An Intracellular Recycling System”

Prof. R Taylor (Newcastle Uni) won the 2013 Diabetes UK Banting Prize for his Twin Cycle Hypothesis re the cause of type 2 diabetes: Twin Cycle Hypothesis T2
and showed a fasting diet could reverse T2

Dr Michelle Harvie (funded by cancer charities) showed possible benefits of intermittent fasting compared to standard daily calorie reduction in her trials (consecutive FDs) with women at high risk of breast cancer: ComparingDiets , EarlierResearch52

Dr Johnson showed intermittent fasting helped Asthma

HORMESIS & Why Intermittent Fasting Works: Mattson , BlackSwan and Hormesis

Molecular Mechanisms and Clinical Applications: J CellMetabolism
Recent research into the health benefits of fasting: e.g. by world-respected neuroscientist Dr MarkMattson (Mosely referred to his research) showed:

. Improved glucose regulation
. Loss of abdominal fat with maintenance of muscle mass
. Reduced blood pressure and heart rate
. Improved learning and memory and motor function
. Protection of neurons in the brain against dysfunction and degeneration in animal models of Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, stroke and Huntington’s disease.

Brain metabolism in health, aging, andneurodegeneration :
"lifestyles that include intermittent bioenergetic challenges, most notably exercise and dietary energy restriction, can increase the likelihood that the brain will function optimally and in the absence of disease throughout life"

He compared 5:2 to ordinary daily diets on overweight women with family history of breast cancer.
Fasting group lost more belly fat, retained more muscle & had slightly better blood sugar regulation.

More of his research is in HealthyAging , Health , AvoidParkinsonsDisease

His article in J Aging Mech Disease 2015 explains the health benefits of intermittent fasting in great scientific detail.

Why intermittent fasting and stopping snacking can lower your risk of serious diseases:
Meal frequency and timing in health and disease

Fasting can help maintain brain health during aging:
emboj.embopress.org/content/36/11/1474
"lifestyles that include intermittent bioenergetic challenges, most notably exercise and dietary energy restriction, can increase the likelihood that the brain will function optimally and in the absence of disease throughout life"

This interview with leading researchers into fasting in combination with standard cancer treatment: ScientificDiscussion MoselyMattsonLongo and a LongoInterview

NY Times Fasting Overview

Research by other US and European scientists in this DailyTelegraph Article about the medicinal uses of fasting, for many serious conditions & diseases.

Recent trials with Type 2 diabetics and those at risk of having it used a form of daily fasting - skipping supper.
Their conclusions: eating 1-2 meals per day is better than several small meals for losing weight and controlling insulin levels, see Type2Paper

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Arifa97 · 18/11/2019 13:44

Hello everyone

FD today. Lunch was homemade chicken bone broth. I added some ginger, coriander, prawns, celery and some carrots and turned it into a nice soup. I’m gonna estimates my bone broth as 100cal (not to sure). I know the cals for the rest of the ingredients. I’m guessing my soup to be around 188cal

MazDazzle · 18/11/2019 14:21

FD here too.

Good luck everyone!

Have taken a portion of Thai veg curry out from the freezer to defrost.

I need to do some batch cooking later today or tomorrow as supplies are running low!

sparkle789 · 18/11/2019 14:42

I’m struggling a bit now. But only a few hours until I can eat. I’m powering through! I’ve drunk so many hot drinks today to keep me going.
Is sugar free squash ok on a fast day?

You curry sounds really nice MazDazzle.

BigChocFrenzy · 18/11/2019 15:01

Whatever works when you are starting off, sparkle
Hot Bovril often helps
Not too long to go now until supper

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BigChocFrenzy · 18/11/2019 15:03

Sounds a delic soup, arifa

Good luck Monday fasters, stay focused for the last stretch

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Whattodowithaminute · 18/11/2019 16:09

I was supposed to have soup for lunch but I haven’t managed it yet so maybe I'll bump that to dinner with a bagel on the side or should I try to stay low carb BCF
Hope everyone else having a good day

jcurve · 18/11/2019 16:48

Good luck everyone for Monday and well done so far. I’m also fasting today - 3 cups of tea so far and looking forward to fish, brown rice and steamed veg when I get in after the gym. We have house guests so my weekend involved a lot of cheese and wine, hopefully this will get me back on track.

BigChocFrenzy · 18/11/2019 17:41

What Have whatever you think will keep you satisfied
On FDs, you can go low fat, low carb, vegan, paleo .... whatever works for you but is not junky or boozy

Most folk find that boosting protein helps keep them fuller, so if you have the bagel, then personall I'd put e.g. chicken breast or boiled egg in it.

That's a good, healthy FD plan, Jcurve
Keep drinking water, especially at the gym

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emcla · 18/11/2019 18:30

All done. Went a bit over so might do a b2b

MazDazzle · 18/11/2019 18:39

I’m so cold! Sad

Got my thermals on and the hearing cranked right up.

Hang in there everyone. Not long now!

EssentialHummus · 18/11/2019 19:12

maz I always end up in a big jumper on FDs Grin.

Kitchen closed here - giant stir fry for lunch, so just coffees here and there the rest of the day. B2b done! How have others gotten on?

Whattodowithaminute · 18/11/2019 19:28

Went for bagel and soup and closed the kitchen on 490. Hope everyone has had a good day despite the cold maz

inthethickofit19 · 18/11/2019 19:42

Closed at pretty much 500 😁 had a sweet potato for lunch and cheese omelette (again) with two small pieces of toast for dinner.

Cannot wait for some choc tomorrow though 😳

Arifa97 · 18/11/2019 19:51

All done, Kitchen closed a 526

sparkle789 · 18/11/2019 20:15

I ended up having spinach and ricotta cannelloni for 456 cals instead of soup. I’ve been so cold today I just wanted some comfort food. So happy I managed my first fast day! Going to have a hot bath and an early night.
Should I weigh in once a week on the same day or after my second fast day even if that’s not a week between weigh ins?

3kidsareenough · 18/11/2019 20:53

How are we all hanging in here Monday fasters??? Nearly there. Kitchen closed here too 510. maz I have been the same all day & had about 5 layers on! Did some hill running this evening (that warmed me up somewhat!!!) had a shower and now freeezing again- think it's bed time (no I'm a celebrity for me tonight!) well done on your first fd sparkle the first of many WinkI normally weigh after my 2nd fd. When I remember!!

Enjoy breaking those fast tomorrow everyone. See yas back here Thursday

emcla · 18/11/2019 21:04

Well done everyone

BigChocFrenzy · 18/11/2019 21:23

Well done on a good 1st FD, Sparkle
You nailed it
Yes, I suggest weighing the morning after FD2, even if it's not the same day each week

Well done too, emcla, hummus, what, inthethick, arifa, 3kids
Wow, a big Monday fasting troop this week, lovely to see

How are you doing, Maz ?
It gets so cold here in the evenings 🥶

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SydneyCarton · 18/11/2019 22:51

Kitchen closed on 569 here, very underwhelming chicken chow mein ready meal (I know I can cook it better), cup of tea and a little bit of chocolate. I was in meetings for three hours this morning and found it much easier than on days where I’m not so busy and I keep thinking about all the nice things I’m not eating! Plus I did almost 10,000 steps for the first time in a while (9700-odd) so feeling pretty healthy all round. Well done all the Monday fasters Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 19/11/2019 00:20

Well done on your FD and walking, Sydney
A busy day does make it easier

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EssentialHummus · 19/11/2019 08:17

Maintenance (finally!) GrinGrin

Weighed in this morning at 66.7kg, just under my goal weight! Definitely the right weight for me at my height when I look at myself in the mirror, and right in the middle of the BMI healthy range at 21.5.

That's 15.6kg / 2 stone 6lb, over about a year (with breaks and plateaus).

Very happy Smile. I think the next step for me is cementing a good exercise regime. I will keep to two FDs (for now, anyway), just with higher calorie allowance, so that I do have days where I can eat more freely if I want.

Thanks to everyone on the thread but especially bigchoc for all the support.

And good luck to all Tues fasters!

3kidsareenough · 19/11/2019 08:21

Oh wow hummus that is just fantastic- well done 🤗 on getting to goal. Great inspiration for us all here.

Have coffee brewing looking forward to breakfast soon 😉😉

moonlight1705 · 19/11/2019 08:36

Wow hummus that sounds amazing, well done.

I'm going for my third FD today so have veg soup for lunch at 124 calories and then fishcakes and tons of peas for dinner tonight. That adds up to 458 calories (if I have 100g of peas) and shall have a banana too as I've got a taekwondo lesson tonight.

I had my step counter on yesterday and ended up doing 13,500 steps so quite pleased with that.

aberjenagain · 19/11/2019 09:02

Well done on your FDs what, 3kids, emcla, inthe, sparkle, hummus, arifa, maz, jcurve, sydney and anyone I've missed!

Hummus woo-hoo!!! That's fantastic, well done you! Fab achievement Smile

Good luck today moonlight

I'm fasting today too after an indulgent weekend with my sister visiting...

OohMrDarcy · 19/11/2019 09:10

Morning all

Tuesday FD for me - planning a stir fry later, and maybe soup for lunch if needed.

Filly - have a bratwurst for me... bloody loved them when I lived in Germany
Welcome sparkle
Hummus - you still enjoying the evil Jillian? I must get back to her again... maybe this weekend... MASSIVE Congrats on reaching your GOAL!!!! Seriously, well done! Keep posting, it will keep me motivated!

Maz - don't know where you are but it is blinking freezing down south today! -1 when we got up... I love it when it is like this though - just wrap up warm... its the pissing rain that annoys me more.

Good luck to all the other Tuesday fasting gang!

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