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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 28/11/2018 18:21

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 12/03/2019 21:08

Ending up on 1400 cals today, a few extra carbs than really necessary, but I did 20k steps (which includes a 5km run and an hour of circuits).

Fast day tomorrow. I'm going to continue my method of saving all my calories for one big massive dinner- it will be a sort of Mexican baked eggs with halloumi cheese chunks in a spicy tomato sauce. Excited already!

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 13/03/2019 17:41

Finishing up today on 813 cals, 31g carbs. 11k steps, 40mins swimming.

Had a plain chicken breast at lunchtime, and my dinner was amazing: a spicy tomatoey sauce with 2 eggs poached into it and crispy baked halloumi on top. Lovely! Food definitely tastes awesome when you don't eat so much of it!

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TurnOffTheTv · 13/03/2019 17:44

@thenewaveragebear1983

How much exercise do you do? I exercise 9/10 times a week and I find I need the fuel! I could possibly fast on the days I’m not doing cardio based stuff?

thenewaveragebear1983 · 13/03/2019 18:07

Turnoff I run about 40k a week plus a strength/circuits class. (I only swam today for the first time in 5 years because we just bought a buy to let flat and it has a private pool!!)
There is no way I can do 800 calories and run, maybe at the beginning when I was running short distances and had some fat reserves; now I'm at target pretty much, I find that I am just too ravenous. My recent strategy has been to fast alternate days and really focus on my protein intake on non fast/running days, but still monitor the calories. I tried a 'trust my appetite' method and it did not go well (gained 7lb) so I do still need to track my calories.

I'm actually really enjoying the fast days, I feel less hungry and my sugar cravings and general carb-chasing behaviour has gone right down. I tell myself I can have it tomorrow if I really want it.

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TurnOffTheTv · 13/03/2019 18:37

I’ll have to have a sit down and think what I need to do! I don’t run as far as you weekly, only about 25k but I do 2/3 HIIT/circuits plus 3/4 swims. I’ve been poorly and put on over half a stone and it’s not shifting. I’m just so hungry all the time! Maybe protein/800 cals in my rest day, or the day I only do circuits maybe?

Seawig · 13/03/2019 19:04

I suppose not doing much exercise means that it's easier for me to do the 800 right now. Small comfort!

I'm down to 9'8 now from 10'6. I'm seeing so much difference in my clothes and even the rings on my fingers are looser.

Keeping going though. The best thing is my craving for chocolate has almost gone!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 13/03/2019 19:35

Turnoff how close are you to your goal? I definitely noticed that when I went from overweight to 'normal' and particularly now I'm in the middle of normal (bmi is 22) I needed to rethink my diet somewhat. It's like my body knew it no longer had the fuel it needed. Unfortunately it has taken me a while to get this balance right- I'd do great low carb days and probably wasn't getting enough nutrients/protein etc, then instead of eating the right stuff I'd end up bingeing On rubbish and chocolate. I was in a real spiral of it (if you read back through this thread you'll see my struggles!) and I've also not list any weight for at least 6 months now (give or take the odd yo-yo and relosing what I gained). I find the circuits increase my protein needs as much as the running to be honest, because that's where the muscle gain comes in. The reason I've switched around this time is because I have 6 weeks til my half marathon and I was genuinely concerned that I was just going to be eating crap til then if I didn't take the reins back!

Fitness coaches/trainers will tell you not to cut carbs (obv bread, sugar, chips etc. But will still encourage sweet potato and quinoa and porridge etc) but if you look online there is substantial evidence that you don't need a high carb diet for runners, plus that carb loading and things like that are ineffective for women, so it's definitely worth doing some reading.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 13/03/2019 19:42

Turn also, it really depends on the length/intensity of your runs- I have switched to doing longer runs on fewer days and I definitely noticed a difference, I was much hungrier, even though the total distance was the same.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 13/03/2019 19:50

I have opened up the new thread and have included the Fast800 in the title as they are virtually the same. Please feel free to placemark on it, but we can continue filling this one up until we hit 1k

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 13/03/2019 19:51

Link would help!

new thread

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 14/03/2019 07:14

2lbs down after my fast day yesterday, 10.1.4 - which is the lowest I've been for a while!

Menu today is falafel and salad for lunch, and a chicken and bacon creamy bake with green veg for dinner. I was intending to do my long run but urgh, the wind and rain and general grimness out there is really putting me off!

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Almahart · 14/03/2019 08:44

Hallo! I’ve bought myself the recipe book and been doing this for a couple of days. I’ve lost two ibs and feel really energetic but am a bit confused Grin

Do I need to keep track of carbs? I’ve done LCHF before and I really liked the fact that I didn’t need to record macros but I find it so restrictive

How often do you eat oats or pulses on this diet?

And I don’t really understand the difference between the fast version of this diet and the normal. On one you do 800 cals for 8 weeks and on the other 800 cals only twice a week? What am I missing?!

Finally- do you get to a stage where you dint really feel hungry? That’s what I loved about LCHF

Thanks !

thenewaveragebear1983 · 14/03/2019 09:19

Hi alma, welcome.

To answer your questions:
I eat pulses and oats very rarely (eg once a month/3 weeks etc), they're too high carb for me and make me carb crazy for the wrong things. Today I have falafel, but that's the first time in weeks

You don't need to track carbs provided you eat the right carbs- if you read the opening posts on this thread it's got a brief synopsis. But basically, the big 5 nasties- bread, pasta, potatoes, rice , sugar. Plus also tropical fruits, breakfast cereals etc. If you avoid these, you'll naturally limit carbs to an appropriate level, especially if you're sticking to 800 cals too. The trackers do give a carb total though, which is why I include it in my daily summary! I prefer the BSD diet book to the recipe book for actual scientific info.

Difference between fast800 and BSD? To be truthful, I think they're pretty identical really. The BSD was designed to reverse type 2 diabetes, but I wonder if the fast 800 is being marketed more as a general weightloss plan? I have a BSD pull-out from 2017 which pretty much describes the Fast800 plan, so in those days they were one and the same. Personally I think the fast 800 book is a touch more 'lenient' on carbs, the recipes are more carby, and maybe more grains and pulses are used; I find the Fast800 threads on here are not quite as strict on the types of carbs as we are we're proper hardcore obvs Grin

As a rule, there's no rules. If you want to do a 5:2/ 2:5 strategy, or have alternate fasting days, or have weekends off, or do 12 weeks solid 800 calories a day- that's great. Whatever works for you. The key is really to focus on that Mediterranean diet, high fat/low carb.

Good luck!

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 14/03/2019 09:22

Here's a photo of that pull out btw, it's a useful little guide. Ignore the minging state of my 1980's kitchen it's going soon, hurrah!

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anascrecca · 14/03/2019 10:29

Oh no, am trying to find a way to lose weight and in my mind lentils were a good food Shock

thenewaveragebear1983 · 14/03/2019 10:49

Anas well, they are- in that they are nutritious, high in fibre, contain protein (but not all the essential amino acids you need)- but if you are eating them in big quantities all the time you'll find yourself lacking in fats, protein, other nutrients, plus because they are relatively high carb (compared to for example chicken, or eggs) if you eat large quantities then you won't get the 'lowering of insulin' benefits. With 800 calories a day there is quite a tight balance to ensure you get the nutrients you need. Everything in moderation!

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wowfudge · 14/03/2019 12:33

I'm having a but of mare - started with a humdinger of a migraine yesterday and it all want horribly wrong last night after a healthy tea of chicken and lentil and chickpea salad. Had some icecream, a croissant and some stem ginger in syrup. Today, thanks to my meds, I have no headache but feel crap and have had two protein bars, so half the day's calories already. Will try to get back on track.

Almahart · 14/03/2019 16:06

Thanks theaveragebear that’s really helpful!

So I’m on about day three but I am absolutely starving! Is it just not realistic to do this without feeling hungry?

onanothertrain · 14/03/2019 16:15

alma the hunger does pass.
Although having said that I'm absolutely starving today and I've been doing this for 9 months 🙄

thenewaveragebear1983 · 14/03/2019 16:33

Alma I think it's quite normal especially in the early days, and if you were eating a lot before. If you're really hungry it can be because you're not eating enough fat early in the day so maybe try adding some cheese or avocado to your lunch. Are you drinking enough? I find a hot drink like fruit tea or even hot squash can really help get me through til teatime

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Almahart · 14/03/2019 18:05

Thanks, yes drinking tons! I will try to up my fat a bit until I’ve adjusted

thenewaveragebear1983 · 14/03/2019 18:17

My dinner tonight was absolutely delicious. I could eat it again

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 14/03/2019 19:19

Closing the kitchen on 1265 cals, 67g carbs (that will be the falafel!), I've done 22k steps (10km run). I feel exhausted!

Tomorrow is a fast day, but due to unforeseen circumstances I will be going out for a curry with my friend for her 40th- was supposed to be another night, plans changed, yada yada- so....is it possible to go for a curry without going way over 800 cals? I'm thinking possibly- it's a 'posh' Asian fusion cuisine type place not a traditional Balti house, so will peruse the menu beforehand but I think if I go for something dry cooked like tandoori salmon rather than something saucy, I could be ok. Plus I'm not going to drink (might have one g&t!)- so it might be doable??

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onanothertrain · 14/03/2019 21:28

My clothes to fit into pile is now empty with it all fitting and now back in the wardrobe.
I have a size 8 strapless satin cocktail dress that I thought I'd never fit into again even a couple of months ago. I was only keeping cause it cost a ridiculous amount of money. An inch off and I'll be in that frock......

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