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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood sugar diet thread 12

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 31/07/2018 08:10

Shiny new thread for the blood sugar dieters. Info to follow.....

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Seasidedreamer · 15/09/2018 19:48

Wow - what a day! So I have cold and have been feeling pretty miserable. My DD’s ambushed me the other night after i’d made them jacket potatoes/ sausages/ beans / cheese and said if jacket potatoes are healthy then why aren’t you eating them? That was hard to answer and I think I swerved! However being carb hungry and not wanting to give them an eating disorder I let them choose lunch and dinner today. Homemade tomato soup/ fish finger rolls/pizza/ oven chips/ Sauvignon blanc and oat cookies have all featured on today’s menu. A quick input into MFP has recorded 2200 calories and a whopping 337g of carbs. OMG!!! It was a small roll at lunch, 1/3 m and s pizza. I now can’t believe the carbs in a ‘normal’ eating day...

onanothertrain · 15/09/2018 22:07

I'm on day 4 of my holiday and so far the only things I've had that are "bad" are one ice Cream and one slice of bread. I've had wine every day but no beer, lots of cheese though. Difficult being a vegetarian here not sure if I can cope with another Greek salad!!!!

quince2figs · 16/09/2018 09:36

Oh, I could murder a proper Greek salad right now, but it’s the being in Greece part that is longing!
Seaside - I have the same issue with children, I really don’t want them to think that any food group is “unhealthy”, esp dd as she is just entering puberty. I fudged it May saying they needed all food groups as their bodies were growing, and complex carbs more nutrition than white, etc.
I am still having small sweet treat most days, but still losing weight (5.5kg lost in 3 weeks). I agree, when I consider just how many calories and carbs I’ve been eating for years, any bloody wonder I’ve ended up this size!

quince2figs · 16/09/2018 09:40

onanother, I was a veggie last time there, and used to eat a lot of “greens”, delicious spinach/wild herbs/leaves mix cooked in olive oil and lemon, and butter beans “gigantism” in tomato sauce with feta. I was told these are often not on the menu as thought of as too humble for tourists. Worth a go? Oh, and spanakopita. And wine.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 16/09/2018 10:07

Oooh I love a Greek salad!

I’ve just sat and done my menu for the week ahead. Yesterday’s sugar has left me with a headache and I did not sleep well (I actually woke up and thought god I’m hungover, how much did I drink??!!, before remembering that I drank nothing. Sobering thought, no pun intended!) I’m not feeling brilliant as a result, and a bit apprehensive to weigh myself as I reckon it will show a gain although I actually had a pretty good week.

I have been reading a running book and it said I should eat 4-7g carbs per kilo body weight (so 250g minimum) carbs every day and I just couldn’t imagine how I could ever do that and not gain tonnes! I could never go back to the old way. I do wonder though, whether if I ate normally in the old way (ie still 1200 cals but more carbs) whether eventually the initial weight gain would stop? I’m not risking it though. Whenever I eat ‘big carbs’ it’s always in a day off kind of capacity, not normal day to day eating (so cake, wine etc) rather than bread, cereal, etc.

I don’t think my children even notice that I’m not eating carbs- they see me eating loads of veg and none of us eat potatoes anyway. On the days they have pizza i just don’t have it, they’ve never questioned it. My dd told a teacher that we were sugar free and her teacher said we were ‘inspiring’ and I think dd was actually quite proud of that. I grew up with a dieting family and it definitely has affected my perception of diets/weight loss etc so I would hate to pass that on to my children

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onanothertrain · 16/09/2018 10:39

Thanks for the suggestions however I'm not in Greece. I'm in croatia - good wine though!!

Twinplusone · 16/09/2018 18:37

Anyone signed up for the BSD online program? Just wondering if it’s worth it.

Bought the books today, I’m not (as far as I know), diabetic. Interested in the diet to lose weight

lasttimeround · 16/09/2018 19:29

Closing today on 1100 cals 50g carbs. Not bad for consistent low cal eating which is getting easier again. But im not really managing 800 cals. Anyway week 2 has started consistently which is lots better than last weekend and i didnt have a big pity binge at not losing this week do im proud of myself.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 16/09/2018 20:12

Last time 800 is hard, and not entirely necessary. You’re better to up it a little and manage, than aim for 800 and then struggle every day.

I’ve had another weekend of eating FAR too much and today I’ve eaten cake and chocolate. I just cannot seem to control myself. I need to go cold turkey this week to get all this sugar out of my system. Thank god I’ve not been drinking as well or I’d have had hundreds more empty cals.

Looking back over the week, my average daily calories was about 1600 and Fitbit claims I burn 2700 daily (average for the year so far), so I’m still in deficit, but I’m feeling really out of control at the moment. Like I’m standing in the kitchen and I just know I’m going to eat it, but then just ignore all the opportunities to say no and deliberately do it- I can feel myself sabotaging myself. It’s really horrible and I feel very powerless.

So: I have two weeks until the big celebration weekend and a further 1 week until our cruise. The celebration weekend only really needs to be a few pieces of cake and a few glasses of wine (it doesn’t have to be a full feast!) and the cruise obviously will he absolute gluttony. So I can pretty much do a full 12 days of good BSD and then a further 5 before we go away. Easy!

Plan for the week- follow my lovely, calorie counted menu (as I did last week)- it’s all written out and calories counted to 800-900 a day; try to fast a bit longer at least for the first few days this week (rather than eat at breakfast time); watch the carbs (some days last week I had rather a lot even if they were ‘allowed’)

Plus I have my hypno session finally on Wednesday- she’s going to help me to not eat unless I am actually hungry and to do some sugar aversion techniques, do hopefully that will help break this cycle.

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lasttimeround · 17/09/2018 07:49

Bear your self sabotaging made me wonder. And much sympathy because it is really hard and frustrating.
But on hypnotherapy do you find it works for you? I find i sabotage as my rebellious child basically tells everyone to get stuffed. I wont conform i wont be thin blah blah.
In my experience this gets worse for me with hypnotherapy even those mckenna dvd things. As my kneejerk reaction to that kind of dialogue is to say pffft to it all. Although i may be the only contrary sod like that!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 17/09/2018 08:29

Lasttime i don’t know because it’s my first session! I am hoping it will help, if not ‘work’ as such, but that it will give me a bit of determination to say no. I am my own worst enemy really. So I will keep you posted. I’m particularly bad in the week before my period so I’ve timed it for this week so as to ‘catch’ that and hopefully remain ‘on the rails’ not completely derail at that time.

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Numberofthemouse · 17/09/2018 14:01

Day 2 today. Struggling to get under a thousand calories while feeling shaky and wierd!

onanothertrain · 18/09/2018 08:40

Numberofthemouse I felt like that as well for the first few days of 800 calories and had a headache also. It lifted after 4 or 5 days. What seemed to help me was putting some salt on my food and drinking 3 litres of water a day

thenewaveragebear1983 · 18/09/2018 16:25

Couple of good days so far, tonight’s tea is currently cooking - we’re having a chicken passanda traybake with roasted pumpkin. Smells amazing! Got an hour of circuit training first though (not so amazing)

Had a preliminary session with my hypno lady today and one of the things we talked about was habits. For example- I go into the kitchen, I read the stuff on the list on the fridge, I open the fridge, I eat. She told me to move the list (duh!) and I have spelled out the word NO in magnets. Maybe that will stop me mindlessly eating! She had some very good tips such as only eating on a plate at a table (stops grazing) and some of her insights about habits forming and also how we try to control certain areas and how we feel out of control in others. I’m feeling really optimistic for my session tomorrow now.

Got a Gordon Ramsey recipe book and joe wicks book from the library today so I’m just sitting with a cuppa reading them. Some nice ideas.

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veryveryquietly · 18/09/2018 18:06

Hi all, popping in after some time away. Still generally on the plan, but not restricting calories as much. Although I haven't been tracking, I'm pretty sure most days come in under 1200, some a bit lower...and a few a bit higher. Last two weeks at work have been very stressful so I've been grazing a bit too much.

After a summer of not much movement, things are shifting a little bit more now so have dropped a few more lbs in Sept, bringing me to an 80 lb loss since January. Sadly, I probably still have 3.5 or 4 stone to go, but I'm reconciled to the fact that that will take a while, much longer than losing the initial chunk.

Hope you all are keeping on.

quince2figs · 19/09/2018 02:46

Well done, very
Hope things are improving, number

bear, the hypno sounds fascinating. I still have not alcohol since May (apart from a small glass of wine which I could not finish last month -it tasted so alien and unpleasant!).
I eventually made all sorts of connections, eg: I associated wine with relaxing after a busy day - actually it was getting home, comfy clothes on and relaxing with dh in front of mindless tv or with good book. I always thought I was looking forward to the wine itself - but actually was very thirsty; it was a cold drink with lots of ice in a long glass that helped. Very bad habits that mean you can get into the routine of a couple of large glasses within an hour of arriving home, without even realising they have been drunk.
I am certainly less stressed having given up, not more, and certainly love not having hangovers.
Hope I can now do the same for sugar...
Not doing so well last few days - absolutely craving sugar and given in a few times (biscuit, cake). Rest of day bang on plan, so not gaining, but static for last 5 days - will pull my socks up!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 19/09/2018 06:26

Quince yes, I think it’s the habit forming stuff I’m most fascinated by. She talks about pillars of beliefs that we have built up our whole lives and our subconscious naturally follows them (so things like ‘I can’t control myself around chocolate’ or ‘I can’t have only one piece I have to have the lot’ ) and the negative things we say to ourselves. I could recognise so much of that negativity in myself. When I was talking to her about the way I control food and what I’m allowed and not allowed I actually thought I sounded like a proper screw-up, it was refreshing even to say it aloud in real life.
Well done on the no alcohol- I too am really enjoying the sober life, I feel very rested in the mornings even though I would ‘t have drunk anyway in the week. I’ve done 3 weeks now and seeing benefits, so 3 Months must feel awesome!

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Summerloving17 · 19/09/2018 08:19

Hi ladies, I am going to bite the bullet and join you all if you’ll have me! Currently a good stone and half or 2 dress sizes bigger than I was two years ago, partly due to multiple failed rounds of fertility treatment which have then caused my thyroid to give up, fun times Confused I haven’t been losing weight on 1200 cals and exercise 3-4 times per week so I need to really focus on cutting sugary carbs as these are the main ones I eat (chocolate, ice cream, cereal bars) otherwise my diet is BSD friendly (apart from a daily Coke Zero and chewing gum!)
Really appreciate support here and aiming for 1000 a day max 65g carbs, it’s the evenings that I cave!! Similar to earlier conversation, I associate sitting down with hot chocolate and a treat as me time in the evenings, I’m bad for grazing and nibbling from the fridge too. Hand holding and a good virtual slap would be much appreciated x

IJustWantToWearDungarees · 19/09/2018 09:38

That hypno stuff is fascinating, bear. I definitely combine habits and negative thinking, so I might look into it. Anything to crack the cravings at the moment!

I have reached the end of week two, and I only lost three pounds - so a total of nine pounds in all. I know this is good in comparison to other diets, but I am v disappointed that my weight loss has essentially halved this week. We had a wobbly weekend as friends were staying, but nothing extreme. Just feeling a bit dispirited because I am finding it so hard!

Also, I did a fasting glucose level this morning and got 4.7. Have been trying to understand stuff online, but think this is basically ok, isn't it? In an ideal world, would it be lower? DH's was 4.2 so am feeling a bit competitive!Grin

IJustWantToWearDungarees · 19/09/2018 09:39

Oh, and welcome @Summerloving17! waves

Numberofthemouse · 19/09/2018 16:13

ijust 4. Anything is normal. 5.6 and above is impaired glucose tolerance

oopsadaisy77 · 19/09/2018 18:04

How do you all just not come in from work and eat everything?!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 19/09/2018 21:40

Oops the key is really to get enough fat into your day. It can take a few days to calm down but if you’re coming in absolutely raging with hunger then you need to get more fat into your lunchtime meal.

My hypno was very good, a very strange experience though. We looked at all my bizarre rituals around foods and how I go off the rails; I’m not going to expect anything I’m just going to see what the week brings as this would traditionally be my binge week (due on in a week). Will keep you posted

I didn’t calorie count today but I had a shake made with almond milk, raspberries, maca, PB powder and spinach; lunch was grilled halloumi and salad, and dinner was pork steak, pea mash and veg, with a greek yogurt and a nectarine. 15k Steps, including a fast 5.5km run (taking 1min off my PB)

So all in all a very positive day and feeling optimistic for the rest of the week

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Numberofthemouse · 20/09/2018 11:17

In 5 days I haven't lost anything! I'm 17 stone FFS it should be falling off me! Sad

onanothertrain · 20/09/2018 12:06

That's my holiday over. In the end the damage wasn't too bad I don't think - 1 slice bread, 2 ice creams, 2 beers, 1/2 pizza and 1/2 portion nachos. I think the pizza opened the floodgates for the nachos and I really had to reign myself in. Suffered a bit of stomach pain after both of them as well.
Number are you taking measurements as well? I noticed my face looked thinner after a couple of days and noticed a difference round my middle after a week or so.

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