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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood Sugar Diet thread 11

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 03/06/2018 07:56

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

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Snowglobes · 12/07/2018 13:16

Oh avon get your bikini on!! We are in Costa Rica - absolutely amazing. A number of American tourists here so currently feeling svelte.
very what a nightmare when you’re trying so hard but thwarted by what’s on offer! 3 weeks is a long time to put up with too! Would it be too weird to go to a supermarket and get your own bits for lunches etc? I always feel I should fit in and go with the flow so would find that quite tricky.

Narnia72 · 12/07/2018 13:56

Hi all, please may I join you?

I'm on day 1 of week 3 today - have been mainly sticking to 800 cal and doing 16:8, and I've lost 9.5 kg! I imagine a lot of it is water, but things are feeling slacker and I've lost 2 inches round my waist, so it's motivating me to keep going, even though I had a blip the last couple of days.

I have a lot to lose though (starting weight 123.7 kg), so unsurprising that it's coming off faster to start with.

I have a party to go to on Saturday night, they are very kindly providing all the drinks but I think I'm going to take my own gin and slimline as otherwise I don't think I can stick to one glass of wine. I know sf not greatest, but this way I hope I can keep eating and drinking within a sensible range. I am a binge eater and once I fall off the wagon I do it big style, so am hoping that I can manage my behaviour well enough with giving myself a higher calorie limit on Saturday.

Have really enjoyed reading through the threads and getting some tips and ideas from you all. Hopefully I can contribute a bit more now I've got my head around it.

TheAmazingShrinkingWoman · 12/07/2018 15:27

Narnia that is an incredible loss! Well done!

Weighing in for the last day of this cycle tomorrow. Probably be 1 stone 4.5 lb loss. I hope! Had biscuits at work today so fingers crossed I've not done too much damage. I've been logging all transgressions on MFP and really when I think I've gone hugely wrong it often turns out to be 1100 cals. Which is fuck all. I've probably only done 4 weeks worth of proper days in total plus 4 weeks pratting around. Will have a count up later.

We're away this weekend for a big family gathering. Lots of food and booze but have a few plans. I'm now used to eating so much less that I'm not scared of being hungry.

Never binge again is a good read, Oblomov. Uncomfortable in places but very helpful!

Cycle 2 starts on Monday so anyone wanting a strict and accountable start please join me! I will be boring you with every bloody meal I have and admitting to total calories and carbs.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 12/07/2018 15:51

Hi everyone, welcome Narnia.

Costa Rica sounds amazing snow you lucky thing!

Amazing you’ve done brilliantly too. I genuinely think that the ‘pratting about’ is a necessary and important part of this plan, because it can only work long term if you find a way of integrating real life into it. You need to know your danger foods (that you can’t really have anymore, sorry) and your ‘sometimes’ foods, and things you can have in moderation. So the few weeks of dithering can be what makes it work for the long haul. My recent dither has been about fuelling my exercise regime, and it’s taken weeks to sort out in my head.

I’m exhausted now, I’ve done 22k steps already as I’ve been gardening all day! Dh away tonight so I’m just going to have a proper BSD dinner of meat, salad and cheese!

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veryveryquietly · 12/07/2018 16:31

Hi all -

Snowglobes what a great holiday!

Yes, I've gone to a tesco today and come back with some BSD compatible options for tomorrow, and should be fine for dinner tonight. After I posted I went to today's lunch and some skewers of roast chicken and veg made an appearance, so I was a much happier bunny! Still no salad available but better than yesterday. And now I have some prepacked salad I can bring with me (and almonds, and blueberries, and a little chocolate so I don't eat the scones and other treats laid on with coffee). On the good side, the receptions have had tons of sparkling and still water as well as wine, beer and juice, so that's been a bit easier.

I'm part of the team planning another conference in September and you can bet there will be plenty of low-carb options available on our menu.

Thanks Amazing for the Never Binge Again rec - just downloaded! Presuming it's the one by Livingston?

Lallypopstick · 12/07/2018 19:40

Welcome Narnia and what an amazing loss. Isn't it wonderful when you find something that seems to work for you? I didn't weigh at the start and won't weigh for a while but after nearly 4 weeks I can feel that my trousers are looser and I'm fitting into clothes of a smaller size.

Amazing we will be cheering you on when you start cycle 2. I think I'll keep going after my first 8 weeks too, as I'd like to lose some more.

Very jealous of holiday snow - enjoy all the treats on behalf of all of us!

Very well done on resisting the treats. I went to a work thing the other week and it's the first time I was glad that lunch wasn't provided!

Bear I'm completely in awe of how active you are. Glad you're figuring out your exercise fuel now.

I've not really been hungry today so I've just picked at a bit of mackerel for tea. I've been completely shocked how I've managed to knock so many foods I used to eat daily on the head. Big bags of chocolate, crisps, haribo, just no temptation at all. And bread!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 12/07/2018 20:20

Closing the kitchen on 1200 cals, 62g carbs, but a ridiculous 25k steps after a very busy day! 5.5km run this morning.

I can recommend some of the Young’s gastro fish range- I had lemon and herb basa fillet in the end for tea, 116 cals, 4 mins In the microwave- it was really tasty and definitely good the have in the freezer

Tomorrow I have a free day as mil is having little Ds (hurrah!) so I’m going for my long run (hopefully 9-10km) and then having a nice chilled day after all my hard graft this week!

Very I agree about those foods I used to eat every day; and I used to eat them feeling totally out of control with them. Now I don’t even buy them! I also don’t buy them for the children, so I haven’t bought a packet of biscuits or children’s yoghurts yet this year. It’s just second nature now! It’s very liberating isn’t it?

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Seasidedreamer · 12/07/2018 22:15

Hi everyone

Just checking in from a very relaxing UK mini break. Had a reasonable week food wise as haven’t counted calories but have stuck to the BSD principles - with wine Grin

Restaurants have been very accommodating and I’ve skipped breakfast as usual. Lunch has proved trickier but a local Morrison’s (the only supermarket I don’t have close to me at home) has been brilliant and has been making me their meal deal salads to order. So I’ve had either tuna nicoise or Greek salad for lunch along with a side of falafel.

Thanks also to the wonderful encouragement I actually bought some bikini tops to wear - first time in 15 years. I was very unsure in the shop but the kind SA said I was being harsh on myself. Admittedly I’ve worn them with beach trousers but the world hasnt stopped turning and no one has been horrified at how I look. Only downside is that even with spf30 I have a slightly burnt midriff - who would have guessed in Wales?! So in that respect it’s been quite liberating although I’m quite relieved I haven’t run into anyone I know.

So, Sunday will be my first weigh-in in 4 weeks. I can tell I’ve lost some weight but not sure how much. I do know judging by clothes I have a way to go. Talking about clothes I have spent a bit of time on all the S & B threads. Fascinating. And time I started really looking at myself again. That is probably a whole new thread though...

Thank you again to everyone who takes the time to post - it has helped me more than you will ever know!

Snowglobes · 13/07/2018 03:21

seaside well done you! This thread is soooo good though isn’t it?! Oh my goodness narnia! You’ve done amazingly well! So the kayaking today was more of a float down the river so I’ll be amazed if I burnt off one single calorie! This was followed by more tortilla, sweet rum, plantain etc. Also had a couple of cocktails, beers and half a bottle of red wine! I’m rubbish, I know! Tomorrow we are at a chocolate plantation Wink. I need scales to motivate me! There’s too much temptation here and hospitality!

chrispenrallt1 · 13/07/2018 06:23

Hi amazing! I think you have managed really well.im a few days behind you, but I feel I’m a lot like you. I started off following the book religiously, but I like to do my own thing too. I’m getting used to this WOE it’s fine when one is at home. I find it’s much harder when away from home. I’m not a big drinker so alcohol is not a problem for me and I always ask to be nominated driver!
Bear I think you are brilliant, you have done well, I enjoy reading about your ups and downs and how you fit in early morning running.
I think it’s very inspiring to see how other folks are getting along. Wish I could drink more water, that’s my big struggle!
Down we go!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 13/07/2018 06:41

Nice work seaside, I love wales too. And snow your holiday sounds amazing, and even if you go totally off piste you’ll know exactly what you need to do when you get home.

I’m itching to get on the scales, but I promised I wouldn’t. Came down this morning and drank a pint of water straight away so I wasn’t tempted. I want to see total loss/maintain/gain (hopefully not!) for the week not my daily yo yo up and down, but I’m feeling quite skinny this morning. I know the weekends are just my danger zone at the moment so I need to keep my motivation up. I’m not drinking wine this weekend, but probably will have a G&t or 2 tonight. After my whinge to Dh last week I hope he remembers not to buy all the junk food he normally brings home on a Friday night.

Food today is something eggy for brunch (I’m actually really enjoying having 2 eggs, fried, with salt and pepper), and then dinner is a traybake using a Schwartz mix and chicken thighs. I’m not usually a fan of packet mixes because they often have added sugar, but this one seems ok.

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Hoviscats · 13/07/2018 08:06

seaside sounds like you have managed your holiday really well!

I decided to weigh in today as was struggling to keep my motivation levels up this week. Felt like I needed proof it is working for me!

Week 6 ends on Sunday so today at almost 6 weeks in I have lost 22lb! That's another 5lb since my last weigh in just under 2 weeks ago. Happy with that and the best thing is that I am only about 10lb from my happy weight :)

I will weigh in again at end of week 8 and then have another week before my holiday so will probably do another week before I go. The challenge then will be working out a decent holiday strategy so i am taking note of everyone's great tips on this thread :)

ChocEggNoThanks · 13/07/2018 09:48

Well done everyone on keeping on keeping on! I don't know why the sun is making everything harder! Snow your holiday sounds amazing and a real one off so I would be enjoying every bite / drop of plantain and rum!

I had my worst binge last night since starting this. I felt cross about it because it had been a good day but trying to put it behind me. I've also downloaded Never Binge Again (free on Kindle!) so thanks for recommendation. I will read it asap! I was tired, worked all day, DH is away and I just felt exhausted and in need of a treat. But my 'one glass of prosecco with crackers and cheese' turned into a mountain of crackers and cheese followed by chocolate and more prosecco! I've put it into MFP at 1200 cals. So cross! But onwards!

ChocEggNoThanks · 13/07/2018 09:50

And Hovis that's fantastic weight loss - well done! Sorry on phone as usual so really hard to namecheck.

AvonCallingBarksdale · 13/07/2018 14:57

This is turning into a day of self-sabotage. Last night I had 3 glasses of rose, which meant I had a crap nights sleep and now at work in a hot office and have chomped my way through 4 large choc chip cookies. I now feel quite nauseous. Envy. Talk me down please.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 13/07/2018 15:08

Ah Avon it’s the sleep, or lack of, it plays absolute havoc with my insulin resistance and carb cravings.

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seizethecuttlefish · 13/07/2018 15:19

Avon I could have written this. I've lost 4 stones and I'm in danger of putting it all back on again! I've no energy and having a baby is not helping. Following for motivation.

ChocEggNoThanks · 13/07/2018 18:24

Yep tiredness is a trigger here too. Think we all need an early night. Next chance of early night: Monday. Maybe that's why DH is on his way home with a takeaway! 🙈

AvonCallingBarksdale · 13/07/2018 18:37

Glad I’m not alone, but FGS why do I do this?? Sometimes I wonder if I’ll ever get to a point where I’m not “at risk”. MM does talk about not spiralling into really negative thoughts so I’m just going to try and write today off. I’ll run first thing and get back on message tomorrow.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 13/07/2018 19:00

Avon I don’t think I’ll ever not be ‘at risk’ and I’ve been doing this for 2 years. Pasta, rice, potato, bread- literally don’t concern me, I could go my whole life now without them. But Eating sweet food, and bingeing, and food rewards, and seeing food as a treat is so ingrained I only have to look at my mum and sister in my psyche that I cannot see it ever leaving. But.... you can hold it at bay. You can avoid it getting out of control. You can recognise when it’s happening and make better choices.
Not saying do this now but it’s all in the little steps and the little changes you make. I think we’ve all had lapses, relapses, tricky weeks. The key is to learn from it I guess. And be kind to yourself, you’re only human, and it’s only one day. Flowers

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AvonCallingBarksdale · 13/07/2018 19:36

Thank you, Bear what a lovely post Flowers

thenewaveragebear1983 · 13/07/2018 19:42

Kitchen closing on 1042 cals, 34g carbs. 24k steps (of which 12km was a run). I’ve had a busy day, actually a busy week, ending in a few runs to the tip this afternoon lugging blocks and slabs. Hoping for a quieter weekend!

Food today was eggs for brunch, a piece of cheese as a snack, and then we had a chicken tray bake (Schwartz mix, very tasty!) with mushy peas and feta cheese. Oh my, it was delicious although that might be because I was so incredibly hungry. I even had a dessert of strawberries and yogurt, and have factored in 3 measures of gin and slimline tonic for tonight. Just got to make sure I don’t reopen the kitchen for snacks later!

I am itching to weigh myself now, but I’m really determined not to until Thursday! I feel slimmer though. This morning I sorted and organised my entire wardrobe, clearing out things that don’t fit and putting them in the loft and organising the stuff left, and some jeans which didn’t fit before now definitely do, and my safe pair of joules skinnies in a size 12 are now unflatteringly baggy. Woo hoo!! I am so very close to target now, I can practically smell it!

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 14/07/2018 07:16

Good morning everyone.

Successful evening for me last night, I can’t remember the last time I didn’t end up snacking on a Friday night! Had my 3 measured g&t and that was it! Hopefully I’ll do the same tonight.

We’re having a bbq later so I need to estimate the calories in the food as it’s all come from the butchers (burgers, sausages, ribs), and we have a lamb steak in marinade for dinner so food could be pretty high cal today.

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ponygirlcurtis · 14/07/2018 08:38

Hello BSDers, I have been away on holiday with the DCs and am just back. Eating was mostly fine (had planned all my meals), but much wine was consumed and very little water. Result is I am 3lb up on my recent lowest weight but I am hoping at least some is bloat from lack of water. Easing myself back into things from today.

Thanks for the free book recommendation, just got it!

TheAmazingShrinkingWoman · 14/07/2018 08:39

Bear, you sound so positive and focussed. Well done.

I think the trick to binges is to try to view them as learning points. Face up to exactly what you had and try to identify why. I do a weird thing where if I stay on plan and turn something down it sort of lurks in the back of my mind as unfinished business and I nearly always have it the next time I binge. Not sure what to do about it yet but it feels helpful to identify it. This plan feels like a huge learning process.

I'm away for the weekend and really let go yesterday but as a result have woken up feeling like I want to be on plan today despite the fact I had decided to have all weekend off. Just having a cup of tea for breakfast and pondering my options. Don't really want to drink although that may change later.

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