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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood Sugar Diet thread 11

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 03/06/2018 07:56

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

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ChocEggNoThanks · 18/06/2018 19:16

Thanks Bear I must have a look at that!

Lallypopstick · 18/06/2018 19:54

740 calories today. I'm a bit hungry but resisting and drinking lots of water. Normally this would be prime snacking time for me.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 18/06/2018 20:03

Jamie’s quick and easy food on channel 4 right now has some easily adaptable BSD recipes.

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Oblomov18 · 18/06/2018 20:34

Thank you Bear and Choc for being so underdtsbffbg.

Oblomov18 · 18/06/2018 20:36

Understanding.
Clearly crisps are an issue. As you say,maybe cheese and biscuits could suffice.

Snowglobes · 18/06/2018 20:51

Hello lally and we’ll done on day 1!
Back on it today! Had a small pot of leftover ratuoille for lunch and made the Moroccan meatballs in tomato sauce from the recipe book. Really lovely and the kids liked it with couscous (I had tesco cauli rice). Well under 800cals today. Hour long dog walk and Pilates today, neither very energetic but feeling good about it regardless! I’m now going to input my meal plans into MFP to make sure they’re under 800 per day or thereabouts.

Snowglobes · 18/06/2018 20:58

I’ve no advice oblomov. I’m addicted to cottage cheese with chopped up pear and walnuts. Love it! But not sure that’s going to replace crisps is it? Sorry!

Snowglobes · 18/06/2018 21:02

Has anyone tried kale crisps or other ones made from veg in the oven? Wonder if they save ok and could save oblomov and others when craving crisps?

Acorncat · 18/06/2018 21:26

I made kale crisps with oil and garlic salt but I put on way way too much salt, they were still nice though. Must make more with less salt.

I’ve reached the week 3 plateau 😫

thenewaveragebear1983 · 18/06/2018 21:40

Maybe Oblomov instead of tackling the crisps, it’s about tackling the reason for crisps.

So.... do you eat crisps because they’re to hand and When you get in you’re starving so you grab a pack? Perhaps pre-cut carrot batons or sugar snap peas. Lidl do packs of multi coloured tomatoes, they are so sweet and delicious and even a whole pack is only about 60 cals.

Or is it evening munchies? Sit down and have a bag of crisps in the evening? - nuts instead? Tesco do some salt and pepper cashew nuts, they’re immense! Or popadoms are BSD friendly if they’re made of lentil flour (40 cals each)

Is it boredom? Emotional eating- in which case, crisps aren’t the answer (I know you know this!) so go for a walk? Bath? Play solitaire? I’m not being patronising btw- it’s just a habit to break/change.

My favourite thing to do in the evening is to go out into the garden and water my veg and plants. It’s something about the running water and the warm evening, but it calms me right down and stops me grabbing food in those critical few minutes once the kids are in bed before I sit down (this was always my cigarette time before I quit!).

It’s horrible being in a rut, and I’ve definitely been there myself. The thing with BSD is that good brings good and bad can bring bad- a few good days under your belt and those cravings really do begin to fade away, so by tackling those things it can make a huge difference overall. We’re always here if you need us Flowers

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 18/06/2018 21:44

There’s these;

steamykitchen.com/10725-crispy-roasted-chickpeas-garbanzo-beans.html

Or these
www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/10148/parmesan-crisps

For emergencies only!!

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Parsley1234 · 18/06/2018 22:20

Not a great day today went to the gym to be measured hate being weighed he weighed me and said I’d gained jeez !!! After I said I didn’t want to know although I lost a few half inches also was starving hungry today cd have been much worse though. How do you cope with PMT cravings I’m menopausal and 10 days before I’m starvibg.

ponygirlcurtis · 18/06/2018 22:21

Sorry to hear you are feeling in a rut, Oblomov - it's a rotten place to be. Keep on keeping at it.

Happy anniversary bear, and well done on being even lighter than on your wedding day!

I think being too unwell to eat much/drink alcohol over the weekend has given me a boost - I officially reached the target I inputted into my Fitbit when I got it 4 years ago! It's not a final target, I hope, but one that says I am now entering fairly new territory. Not quite uncharted territory - I have been slightly lower than this twice before. Both times I got pregnant soon after so never got time to enjoy being this weight for long. Can't quite believe I am here at this weight hope I still see it in the morning!

ChocEggNoThanks · 18/06/2018 22:43

Great tips Bear that's a really helpful post. Pony well done on getting so far 😊Sorry on phone so can't namecheck but for cravings I find a planned treat most useful even if it takes me over. Cheese and crackers/ ryvita is usually helpful for me or full fat yoghurt even if it's sugary too. It feels super indulgent and satisfying.

Early night needed here. This is week 9 for me but I need to start upping my cals a bit to see what happens. The last week is the first time I've managed all these 800 days but I had good losses at 950-1000. I don't feel like I'm using my 800 cals in a healthy way due to being busy and bad planning.

TheAmazingShrinkingWoman · 19/06/2018 07:16

I'm in the 13s! Started at 15 stone 1.6 pounds. Now 13 stone 13.4 pounds. Bye bye 14s. Obviously failed at not weighing myself but super pleased especially as I was on a course yesterday and resisted all biscuits/buffet.

DandelionAndBedrock · 19/06/2018 07:29

Well done on your loss and will power, amazing.

I hit my three stone loss today (in 11 weeks!!). When I signed up for the 12 week online BSD course I was aiming for 1 1/2 stones, but was secretly hoping I might manage 2. Starting my day feeling v smug.

ChocEggNoThanks · 19/06/2018 07:51

Well done Shrink and Dandelion!

Weekend damage almost undone here!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 19/06/2018 07:52

Amazing work amazing and dandelion, they are big losses!
StarStar

Anniversary was lovely, thanks, but did extend our weekend a little as we drank wine and ate pre-prepped food (although it was nice, beef bourginon from Asda and aunt Bessie’s carrot chips and veg!) and I did make a desssert out of peanut butter, whipped cream and melted dark choc, with raspberries - very nice, millions of calories.

So with that in mind, I stepped on the scales this morning with trepidation; but I’m still 10.6, so an overall maintain for the weekend and total loss of 6lb last week. And they flickered around with 10.5 for a bit too. Very encouraging. I’m planning a strict few days now, I fully intend to come in at sub-1000 for the next 3 days. (No ‘I’ll try’ this week, but my new positive mind set says ‘I will’!)

Something with mince for dinner as it needs eaten, maybe meatballs? Shake at lunchtime. Running later. All good!

Have a great day!

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 19/06/2018 12:45

Welcome Freudian, great username!
The book totals are way out, it’s a common complaint. However, in my many months of doing this and being on these threads, most people I know of who have followed the book menus ‘properly’ (as in every day not just trying out the ones they like) have had really good weight losses. The other benefit of the book plan is they are carefully balanced so you’ll be getting the right combination of nutrients too.

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Snowglobes · 19/06/2018 13:23

Ooh well done pony, amazing and dandelion absolutely incredible losses! Agh parsley I crave chocolate when I’m premenstrual and allow myself a frozen square (frozen takes longer to suck so flavour lasts longer!) Maybe distract yourself somehow. bear up thread had some fab tips for oblomov.
I’m delighted you’ve rid the weekend lbs chocegg and delighted that I have too. Not sure how I can be 72.5kg one morning and the next 71kg despite being super strict - water? That’s circa 3lbs in a day. Who knows but happy.

Snowglobes · 19/06/2018 13:28

freudian some book recipes aren’t too far out - the Moroccan meatballs I did last night were v close. As is the skinny cottage pie. I use the recipe book all the time but not often the ‘diet info’ book. It’s certainly worth creating these recipes in MFP so the info is accurate and you have the recipes/nutrients etc for next time. As I tend to use these for main dinner I can then tweak my lunch accordingly so I’m there or thereabouts. MFP etc are crucial!

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Oblomov18 · 19/06/2018 14:09

Well done Shrink, Pony, Dandelion and Amazing!

Thank you Bear. You are right I do need to think about the deeper issue.

I do actually really like salty things. Especially when I have a glass or wine, g&t etc.
So I need to find a crisp replacement. I know myself, so I know I need to have a packet of something it in my store cupboard immediately ready to eat when required.
Any suggestions?

I do like those salt and pepper nuts but aren't they a bit high carb and calories.
What else might work?

The roasted chickpeas look good. I might try them when I get my kitchen back.
And kale crisps. What temperature do you cook them? I've only eaten kale once and didn't really like it, but I know loads of people rave about kale crisps.

My kitchen is dragging on and getting on my nerves. I've been very tearful today.

But today I did eat something that I enjoyed. Pre a 1.5 hour school meeting re Ds1 with Deputy Head Hmm - Aldi ham hock salad (I removed the potato) was very tasty and made me realise I do like certain foods.

Like Bear suggested I am very much a chilli, curry, spicy person, so I'm going to try and eat more strong flavours in the next few days.

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