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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

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BigChocFrenzy · 26/09/2017 12:24

Welcome to the continuing thread for those following 5:2 or other forms of IF (Intermittent Fasting) such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8 Smile

The 5:2 diet was introduced by Michael Mosely on BBC Horizon on August 2012:

Basically it is 2 very low cal days ("fasts") per week - which need not be consecutive - and eat "normally" the other 5 days.

For those who have dieted or maybe overeaten for years, eating "normally" means roughly the number of calories your body needs to maintain - NOT reduce - its weight (see TDEE calculator below).

IMPORTANT
If you have had Eating Disorders you should NOT do 5:2 or any other kind of fasting

ACRONYMS

16:8 is a different type of fasting, which can be combined with 5:2.
Daily zero-cal fast for 16 hours and eat within an 8 hour window. To lose weight, this needs a weekly calorie deficit as well

4:3 = fast on 3 non-consecutive days per week

ADF (Alternate-Day Fasting) = fast every other day

BMI (Body Mass Index) healthy range is 18.5 - 24.9 for Caucasians. Upper limit may be 22 for some of Asian origin.

FD = Fast Day: aim for 500 calories (600 for men or 25% TDEE if higher) or 1000 cals for BF
Even if you exercise strenuously, do NOT increase FD cals

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a useful App or website to track food & drink calories

NFD = Non-Fast Day, averages around TDEE

NSV / LSV = Non Scale Victory / LifeStyle (change) Victory, e.g. compliment, smaller waist, new skinny jeans

SV = Scale Victory

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, the average number of calories you burn in a day, is calculated (see calculators below) from your current weight, height, age, activity level.
Aim to average about this for NFDs.

WOE / WOL = Way Of Eating / Way Of Life. We say this instead of "diet", to emphasise that we must make a permanent change in how we eat, to mainitain our new healthy weight longterm.

HOW TO START

. Take initial measurements: weight, waist, hips
. Use TDEE calculator below as a rough guide to how much to eat on NFDs
. Choose any 2 days for FDs, non-consecutive is easier.
. Before each FD: plan, shop & calorie count ALL food & drink for the day

Useful Resources & Calculators

Calorie Counter: mfp , mfp
Calories for NFD: TDEE Calc
FD Recipes: BBC Good Food 52 , Mosely LowCarb ,
Good2Know , Vegetarian ,
Foodie Under 200 Cals
Any Day: Meal Planner
FD Ready Meals, Takeaways, Restaurant: Mirror , Indie
Safe Alcohol: Calc Daily UnitsCalories , Calc Weekly Units

BMI: Calc
Body Frame Size: Calc
Calc Ideal Weight Range
Body Fat: BF Calc
Choose / Visualise Goal Weight:
3D BMI body variations ripped to normal
Bod Vis Measurements & 3D rotate

FAQs / Tips

  • WATER: Start each day with a glass of water; and drink plenty during the day.
  • HOT DRINKS: No limits on tea or coffee, but on FDs count any milk / sugar calories.
  • CLENCH for health: Men & women should exercise pelvic floor daily
  • SLEEP: Try to get enough sleep, or it may slow weight loss.
  • EXERCISE: is healthy & can help weight loss - BUT only if you do NOT eat back less than you burn. Fasted training can burn more fat.
HIIT and resistance training both work well with 5:2/IF.

If you exercise, do NOT increase FD cals
Instead, calculate NFD target with your activity level set one level below what you estimate.

  • FDs: If possible, choose days when you are busy, but not preparing meals for others.
Concentrate on protein & veg; avoid / reduce starchy carbs & sugar, including juice. Soups & stews are good; ready meals are fine. Most prefer either to skip breakfast & save most cals for supper, or have 2 meals.
  • BFers: start with 1000-cal FDs, optionally reduce to 700 cals gradually.
You can return to 1000 if growth spurts or sleep-deprivation require more fuel.
  • NFDs: No rules, but to improve health, try to cut down on added sugar & junk food, keep alcohol within safe limits. A few treats per week are fine.
Aim for TDEE, but you may under-eat by say 20% on 3 NFDs to save calories for weekend.
  • Plateau / Losing & regaining same few lb: Many folk have a plateau after losing 15 lb +, while their body rebalances.
It may also be a longterm "set point" weight, so homeostasis is causing your body to resist losing more fat. Just be patient & you'll break through. However, if this persists for 4 weeks+ then typically you are overeating on NFDs, so aim to average within TDEE - mfp for a week, to reality check.
  • Lots to lose - how to speed up weight loss
Optionally calculate the lower TDEE for goal weight, but eat to current weight TDEE at least 1 day per week. This helps your body adjust to needing less food as you lose weight. Also trains you how to eat to maintain goal weight.
  • Do NOT fast: if you've ever had EDs, or if pregnant, under 21, over-stressed, fever, stomach bug, even a bad cold.
When ill, your body usually needs more nutrients and less stress. So don't force yourself to eat, but if hungry then eat nutritious food to TDEE & cut out junk, added sugar, fizzy drinks, alcohol.
  • CHECK with your Doctor: if you have diabetes, any other endocrine condition, any serious past or present medical condition, or if taking ANY prescribed medication (fasting may affect absorption rate)

Useful MN Threads

5:2/IF Exercise Thread #3 gives advice & support on combining 5:2 with exercise.
The OP explains science behind fasting, exercise & health & has many calculators.

Recipe Thread has many FD recipes. Post your own too.

Inspirational Thread has reports from Mumsnet 5:2ers who have lost weight.

Scientific Evidence for Fasting & Health

BBC article on the original Horizon program

Telegraph comments on 5:2 and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley, useful for newbies.

This InterviewPart1 and InterviewPart2 with leading ADF researcher Dr Varady explains why fasting helps you to lose weight AND improves some health markers.

Dr Michelle Harvie (funded by cancer charities) showed possible benefits of intermittent fasting compared to standard daily calorie reduction in her trials (consecutive FDs) with women at high risk of breast cancer: ComparingDiets , EarlierResearch52

Dr Johnson showed intermittent fasting helped Asthma

Why Intermittent Fasting Works: Mattson , BlackSwan and Hormesis

Molecular Mechanisms and Clinical Applications: J CellMetabolism
Recent research into the health benefits of fasting: e.g. by world-respected neuroscientist Dr MarkMattson (Mosely referred to his research) showed:

. Improved glucose regulation
. Loss of abdominal fat with maintenance of muscle mass
. Reduced blood pressure and heart rate
. Improved learning and memory and motor function
. Protection of neurons in the brain against dysfunction and degeneration in animal models of Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, stroke and Huntington’s disease.

Brain metabolism in health, aging, andneurodegeneration :
"lifestyles that include intermittent bioenergetic challenges, most notably exercise and dietary energy restriction, can increase the likelihood that the brain will function optimally and in the absence of disease throughout life"

He compared 5:2 to ordinary daily diets on overweight women with family history of breast cancer.
Fasting group lost more belly fat, retained more muscle & had slightly better blood sugar regulation.

More of his research is in HealthyAging , Health , AvoidParkinsonsDisease

His article in J Aging Mech Disease 2015 explains the health benefits of intermittent fasting in great scientific detail.

Why intermittent fasting and stopping snacking can lower your risk of serious diseases:
Meal frequency and timing in health and disease

Fasting can help maintain brain health during aging:
emboj.embopress.org/content/36/11/1474
"lifestyles that include intermittent bioenergetic challenges, most notably exercise and dietary energy restriction, can increase the likelihood that the brain will function optimally and in the absence of disease throughout life"

This interview with leading researchers into fasting in combination with standard cancer treatment: ScientificDiscussion MoselyMattsonLongo and a LongoInterview

NY Times Fasting Overview

Research by other US and European scientists in this DailyTelegraph Article about the medicinal uses of fasting, for many serious conditions & diseases.

Recent trials with Type 2 diabetics and those at risk of having it used a form of daily fasting - skipping supper.
Their conclusions: eating 1-2 meals per day is better than several small meals for losing weight and controlling insulin levels, see Type2Paper

Roundup

A BIG THANK YOU to everyone who has contributed their experience and tips over all these threads.
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Any lurkers and newbies, come join us and share your experiences too. These are lovely supportive threads and everyone is welcome !
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OuchBollocks · 21/11/2017 16:00

They're referring me to the foot and ankle clinic in the spring, but the consultant and head physio are fairly adamant that there's nothing surgical that can be done. Feeling a bit glum about it tbh.

Ta1kinPeace · 21/11/2017 16:02

Ask your GP to refer you to one of the London / big regional teaching hospitals.
They will not want to, but there may well be folks there who have more ideas.

purpleviolet1 · 21/11/2017 17:57

Sorry to hear that ouch.. really hope you find a solution.

So the thrush I mentioned triggered a uti and I have been feeling really rubbish. Started antibiotics last night. We leave tomorrow morning. Hopefully it will be a relaxing break and I enjoy it!

I’ve only had 1 Fd this week but ate around 1200 calories yesterday, maybe slightly more and today so far I’ve had 600 cals. Lost my appetite a bit and not drank as much water as I should as I’ve been in and out and not always had access to loo

Bestbees · 21/11/2017 18:16

Ouch poor you. I hope that you get referred somewhere useful.

Plan to skip breakfast resulted in me feeling ill at 8.30am. So had 10 nuts. Lentil, feta and sweet potato salad for lunh. Dinner soup and cheese on toast followed by mango and greek yog. Full up so hoping not to snack after swim tonight then fd tomorrow.

OuchBollocks · 21/11/2017 18:24

850 cal. Kitchen closed. Balls to today. Balls to tomorrow as well, seeing the GP for a paediatrician referral as DD's nursery suspect autism as well as her disordered speech, plus she has her preschool jabs with the nurse.

quackingduck222 · 21/11/2017 19:13

Ouch and purple make sure you look after yourself.

Not a bad NFD here, found turkey sausages when out shopping so have them a go and was pleasantly suprised how nice they were. A tad dry but worked nice with some beans.
Something a bit different anyway.

Plan on doing some toning tomorrow for the first time in absolute months.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/11/2017 19:20

Crikey, lots of poor unwell folk today SadFlowers

That's grim news, ouch
I second Tip that you need to ask to be referred to a centre of expertise, like a major teaching hospital

Try to stay focused on your WOE, because losing weight might reduce the pain a bit - depends how much you have to lose
You've had a very encouraging compliments NSV from your family,

I hope the antibiotics work quickly, purple

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HandMini · 21/11/2017 19:26

Turkey sausages = genius. Will definitely look for those as probably better for the children than pork as well.

Ouch - sending Support. Sounds like a tough set of circs for you right now. Flowers

Planned my FD for tomorrow and have chicken/lentil casserole for lunch and then will have butternut soup for supper.

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OuchBollocks · 21/11/2017 19:40

Fear not BCF, I'll be digging in. I can only assume that having less lard to hoof about will make it easier on my ankle. Plus its nice to have a win in the column for this year. Its been a shit year.

Don't think DD will be getting her jabs tomorrow, she's passed out exhausted with a temp of 38.2.

suepowell · 24/11/2017 20:37

I think with a 5:2 diet as well, one should still quit eating sugar (any form of sugar) to be successful in the long run. Giving up on chocolates and other sugar will prepare the body to take on difficult diet plan. A diet plan is difficult only because of sugar intake.

Ta1kinPeace · 24/11/2017 22:36

sue
sorry, but as a 5:2 fan of 5 years standing, I do not quit eating / drinking anything
as I'm doing this for another 40 years

Maclairey · 04/12/2017 16:18

Hi all, I was on here last year doing 5:2 until I fell pregnant in January. Well baby is here now and is 9 weeks old and I have two stone to shift. I want to get back on 5:2 as it worked well for me before and with 3 children under 5 it’s a way of eating that I can manage. My concern is that I am exclusively breastfeeding. We are fully established and I have never had supply issues so I am thinking that as long as I am not silly then I should be ok.

I was thinking of restricting to 750-1000 calories on FDs to start and seeing how I get on. Can I have some opinions on this please?

I know some will think I should wait until bubs is older but I am struggling to fit into any of my clothes and I am feeling really awful about myself.

Any and all advice would be most welcome.

I hope you are all well x

HLBug · 07/12/2017 15:22

Hi @Maclairey we’ve all moved over to the new thread BCF has linked to above - come join us over there Smile

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