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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Thread number 68: You don't have to be in control to start, but you can start to be in control. You can do this. Go for it !

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BigChocFrenzy · 19/05/2017 22:27

Welcome to the continuing thread for those following 5:2 or other forms of IF (Intermittent Fasting) such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8 Smile

The 5:2 diet was introduced by Michael Mosely on BBC Horizon on August 2012:

Basically it is 2 very low cal days ("fasts") per week - which need not be consecutive - and eat "normally" the other 5 days.

For those who have dieted or maybe overeaten for years, eating "normally" means roughly the number of calories your body needs to maintain - NOT reduce - its weight (see TDEE calculator below).

IMPORTANT
If you have had Eating Disorders you should NOT do 5:2 or any other kind of fasting

ACRONYMS

16:8 is a different type of fasting, which can be combined with 5:2.
Daily zero-cal fast for 16 hours and eat within an 8 hour window. To lose weight, this needs a weekly calorie deficit as well

4:3 = fast on 3 non-consecutive days per week

ADF (Alternate-Day Fasting) = fast every other day

BMI (Body Mass Index) healthy range is 18.5 - 24.9 for Caucasians. Upper limit may be 22 for some of Asian origin.

FD = Fast Day: aim for 500 calories (600 for men or 25% TDEE if higher) or 1000 cals for BF
Even if you exercise strenuously, do NOT increase FD cals

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a useful App or website to track food & drink calories

NFD = Non-Fast Day, averages around TDEE

NSV / LSV = Non Scale Victory / LifeStyle (change) Victory, e.g. compliment, smaller waist, new skinny jeans

SV = Scale Victory

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, the average number of calories you burn in a day, is calculated (see calculators below) from your current weight, height, age, activity level.
Aim to average about this for NFDs.

WOE / WOL = Way Of Eating / Way Of Life. We say this instead of "diet", to emphasise that we must make a permanent change in how we eat, to mainitain our new healthy weight longterm.

HOW TO START

. Take initial measurements: weight, waist, hips
. Use TDEE calculator below as a rough guide to how much to eat on NFDs
. Choose any 2 days for FDs, non-consecutive is easier.
. Before each FD: plan, shop & calorie count ALL food & drink for the day

Useful Resources & Calculators

Calorie Counter: mfp , mfp
Calories for NFD: TDEE Calc
FD Recipes: BBC Good Food 52 , Mosely LowCarb ,
Good2Know , Vegetarian ,
Foodie Under 200 Cals
Any Day: Meal Planner
FD Ready Meals, Takeaways, Restaurant: Mirror , Indie
Safe Alcohol: Calc Daily UnitsCalories , Calc Weekly Units

BMI: Calc
Body Frame Size: Calc
Calc Ideal Weight Range
Body Fat: Calc
Choose / Visualise Goal Weight:
3D BMI body variations ripped to normal
Bod Vis Measurements & 3D rotate

FAQs / Tips

  • WATER: Start each day with a glass of water; and drink plenty during the day.
  • HOT DRINKS: No limits on tea or coffee, but on FDs count any milk / sugar calories.
  • CLENCH for health: Men & women should exercise pelvic floor daily
  • SLEEP: Try to get enough sleep, or it may slow weight loss.
  • EXERCISE: is healthy & can help weight loss - BUT only if you do NOT eat back less than you burn. Fasted training can burn more fat.
HIIT and resistance training both work well with 5:2/IF.

If you exercise, do NOT increase FD cals
Instead, calculate NFD target with your activity level set one level below what you estimate.

  • FDs: If possible, choose days when you are busy, but not preparing meals for others.
Concentrate on protein & veg; avoid / reduce starchy carbs & sugar, including juice. Soups & stews are good; ready meals are fine. Most prefer either to skip breakfast & save most cals for supper, or have 2 meals.
  • BFers: start with 1000-cal FDs, optionally reduce to 700 cals gradually.
You can return to 1000 if growth spurts or sleep-deprivation require more fuel.
  • NFDs: No rules, but to improve health, try to cut down on added sugar & junk food, keep alcohol within safe limits. A few treats per week are fine.
Aim for TDEE, but you may under-eat by say 20% on 3 NFDs to save calories for weekend.
  • Plateau / Losing & regaining same few lb: Many folk have a plateau after losing 15 lb +, while their body rebalances.
It may also be a longterm "set point" weight, so homeostasis is causing your body to resist losing more fat. Just be patient & you'll break through. However, if this persists for 4 weeks+ then typically you are overeating on NFDs, so aim to average within TDEE - mfp for a week, to reality check.
  • Lots to lose - how to speed up weight loss
Optionally calculate the lower TDEE for goal weight, but eat to current weight TDEE at least 1 day per week. This helps your body adjust to needing less food as you lose weight. Also trains you how to eat to maintain goal weight.
  • Do NOT fast: if you've ever had EDs, or if pregnant, under 21, over-stressed, fever, stomach bug, even a bad cold.
When ill, your body usually needs more nutrients and less stress. So don't force yourself to eat, but if hungry then eat nutritious food to TDEE & cut out junk, added sugar, fizzy drinks, alcohol.
  • CHECK with your Doctor: if you have diabetes, any other endocrine condition, any serious past or present medical condition, or if taking ANY prescribed medication (fasting may affect absorption rate)

Useful MN Threads

5:2/IF Exercise Thread #3 gives advice & support on combining 5:2 with exercise.
The OP explains science behind fasting, exercise & health & has many calculators.

Recipe Thread has many FD recipes. Post your own too.

Inspirational Thread has reports from Mumsnet 5:2ers who have lost weight.

Scientific Evidence for Fasting & Health

BBC article on the original Horizon program

Telegraph comments on 5:2 and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley, useful for newbies.

This InterviewPart1 and InterviewPart2 with leading ADF researcher Dr Varady explains why fasting helps you to lose weight AND improves some health markers.

Dr Michelle Harvie (funded by cancer charities) showed possible benefits of intermittent fasting compared to standard daily calorie reduction in her trials (consecutive FDs) with women at high risk of breast cancer: ComparingDiets , EarlierResearch52

Dr Johnson showed intermittent fasting helped Asthma

Why Intermittent Fasting Works: Mattson , BlackSwan and Hormesis

Molecular Mechanisms and Clinical Applications: J CellMetabolism
Recent research into the health benefits of fasting: e.g. by world-respected neuroscientist Dr MarkMattson showed:
. Improved glucose regulation
. Loss of abdominal fat with maintenance of muscle mass
. Reduced blood pressure and heart rate
. Improved learning and memory and motor function
. Protection of neurons in the brain against dysfunction and degeneration in animal models of Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, stroke and Huntington’s disease.

He compared 5:2 to ordinary daily diets on overweight women with family history of breast cancer.
Fasting group lost more belly fat, retained more muscle & had slightly better blood sugar regulation.

More of his research is in HealthyAging , Health , AvoidParkinsonsDisease

His article in J Aging Mech Disease 2015 explains the health benefits of intermittent fasting in great scientific detail.

Why intermittent fasting and stopping snacking can lower your risk of serious diseases:
Meal frequency and timing in health and disease

This interview with leading researchers into fasting in combination with standard cancer treatment: ScientificDiscussion MoselyMattsonLongo and a LongoInterview

NY Times Fasting Overview

Research by other US and European scientists in this DailyTelegraph Article about the medicinal uses of fasting, for many serious conditions & diseases.

Recent trials with Type 2 diabetics and those at risk of having it used a form of daily fasting - skipping supper.
Their conclusions: eating 1-2 meals per day is better than several small meals for losing weight and controlling insulin levels, see Type2Paper

Roundup

A BIG THANK YOU to everyone who has contributed their experience and tips over all these threads.
Flowers
Any lurkers and newbies, come join us and share your experiences too. These are lovely supportive threads and everyone is welcome !
Smile

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TheMShip · 26/06/2017 12:52

HunkyDory Indian food is great for vegetarian plus gluten-free. This lentil and sweet potato curry says it's 2 portions at 613kcal each, but it is very filling, so I divide it into 6 for 203kcal/portion and have it with green salad. I also like this sag aloo recipe and you can do this basic curry with more veg instead of the chicken. The other thing we've been having a lot on FDs for dinner is stuffed bell peppers. I use basmati rice with a veggie stock cube and some mushrooms and onions. Works out to about 300kcal per pepper.

SingingGoldfinch · 26/06/2017 13:10

HunkyDory - Elly Pear's Fast Day Feast Day book is brilliant for veggie recipes. Really easy but yummy recipes all based on the 5:2 diet. I've been using my book loads! www.amazon.co.uk/Elly-Pears-Fast-Days-Feast/dp/0008157928

MerricatsHouse · 26/06/2017 13:12

Happy Monday everyone and well done on all the many SV/NSVs this weekend! FD here today and happy about it. Had a couple of social eating arrangements on the weekend so it's feeling nice to fast and cleanse my system for a day with lots of water and light eating. My stomach was quite aggravated on Friday (flare up of GERD), exacerbated by a birthday lunch I had to attend on Saturday, so I felt sluggish and uncomfortable most of the weekend. I declined another invitation for a cooked meal this evening because I really wanted to fast today and feel good again. It has worked well, have just had my Greek yoghurt for lunch and feel much better now.

I have a busy period coming up soon with events/more birthday meals, so I'm going to spend the next fortnight really focusing on eating well and being a bit stricter on my carbs and sugar intake so my system is in tip top condition before I do these things. Like with MShip and IBS, I find this WoE really helps with my upper gastric issues.

Good luck Monday fasters!

BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2017 13:28

Welcome, HunkyDory Smile
Plenty of vegetarians and vegans on 5:2. Some suggestions:

Breakfast
Flaxseed meal is a high-antioxidant breakfast, containing protein and good fats
Pour over boiling water and stir until it thickens. Add oat milk or whatever milk you like.
You can mix it with oats or sit bran, or just have porridge but go for proper oats that you can boil / MW, , nit instant
Add some cinammon, berries apples / seeds - for others who are not allergic, almond flakes

On FDs, just measure out 40g total of the flaxmeal and oats

On NFDs, I like oats with chia seeds, 2 teasp cocoa powder, and 1small square of finely chopped 90% cocoa Lindt Excellence choc

If you can eat yoghurt, then full-fat natural (unflavoured) Greek yoghurt is very healthy. Good with cinammon, berries and almond flakes

On NFDs, whole grain / rye toast with thin layers of cheese / pnut butter for those not allergic

lunch
I love falafel. with salad for FD lunch
Today, on an NFD, I had hummus and sweet potato fries too
Also on FDs Cottage cheese, seed & salad

Supper
FD: Stir fry tofu and veg, with cauliflower rice or butternut squash noodles
NFD: veggy curry / roasted veg drizzled with olive oil

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BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2017 14:39

FD plans:

Some folk just have espresso /black coffee tea for breakfast and then lunch & supper
or save almost all calories for a substantial supper

Some copy Mosely and hav ebrealfast and supper only

FD Notes:

  • No alcohol or junk on FDs.
  • NO snacks or nibbling between meals. It makes you hungrier. This includes fruit - only have fruit as part of a meal
  • If you are BFing, especially EBF, we recommend 1,000 cal FDs (you don't get extra on NFDs)
  • Otherwise, FDs remain 500 calls / 600 for chaps, even if you exercise a lot - so no extra for that
  • Drink lots of water and eat Eat low GI: masses of veg, plus some protein and optionally a small portion of starchy carbs
  • Avoid fruit juice and sugary breakfast cereals - they are high GI and will make you hungrier
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Sarahlouboo · 26/06/2017 19:00

Thanks again for all the top tips, need to get Pukka tea and ginger & lemon tea (sounds yummy) and to see if I can get that book from the local library.

Kitchen is now closed, v.successful fast day Smile although mainly salad based! Chicken at lunch and steak and mushrooms for tea both with a big salad. Skipping breakfast and focusing on the other two meals definitely works for me.

Interested to hear about IBS NSVs, my DH has the occasional bout and he is doing 5:2 with me. I will quiz him!

Hope you have all had a good day and not too many rumbly tummies.

OuchBollocks · 26/06/2017 20:56

Good FD here.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2017 21:05

Well done on your FD, ouch

Good luck to your DH, sarah

That's good news about your tum on 5:2 as well, merricat

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MazDazzle · 26/06/2017 21:20

Had an indulgent weekend, so it felt good to fast today.

Dinner was chicken, peppers, asparagus & couscous.

Water intake has been steadily getting better these last few days.

OuchBollocks · 26/06/2017 21:26

We have started getting fruit and veg deliveries from a local greengrocer. The f&v is amazing, so tasty. Makes it much easier to eat well and enjoy it, especially on FDs.

quckingduck22 · 26/06/2017 22:21

Well done to today's fasters.

I've realised for the last few weeks I've been having lots of the same meals. Turkey, prawns eggs and lots of vegetables especially my new found favourite mixed peppers.

I really fancy doing either a chilli or a Bolognese as I have lots of no carb noodles and rice I bought that are pretty tasteless for tomorrow night.

What mince would be recommended? I like turkey or beef but tend to use reduced fat as I don't like too much grease. Is one better than another on medertrainan diet?

What about kidney beans are they a good choice?

I'm still trying to find my feet with this med diet and have been playing it safe until now.

I had mackerel with med veg (pre packaged) last night in future I will make my own as it has a lot of courgette and I didn't like it. Also may have to give the makrel up as it's the second time it really hasn't agreed with me.

GrannyGrown · 26/06/2017 22:37

Successful FD here too and not really felt hungry all day. Went for an easy 6k run this evening and feeling more positive about Sunday's 10k - still no sign of my race pack though.

Had a small protein shake when I got back and dinner of 3-egg mushroom omelette with salad of tomato, avocado, beetroot and the last of the sugar snap peas from the garden brought it up to 512 calories.

Ship - those recipes look delicious. Definitely going to give them a try.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2017 22:42

That local greengrocer sounds brilliant, ouch Whatever makes life easier - and tastier

Duck Mosely really praises beans - and lentils - on his Mediteranean diet, because they help blood sugar control.
Fish is really prioritized too, especially oily fish.

However, sounds like mackerel, at least done in that way - smoked ? - is fish that doesn't agree with you.
I have to have fish (and meat) well done, or it can upset my tum (that quirk runs in both sides of my family) So, I avoid smoked fish or smoked poultry.

The Med diet also has more poultry and much less beef

So for bolognese, I recommend lots of kidney beans with some turkey mince
Another day you could have say baked salmon with the noodles

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BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2017 22:50

Well done on your FDs too, Granny, Maz

That's good you are drinking more water, Maz but keep going
Start the day with a glass and always have a bottle with you.
Give yourself a couple of me-time breaks where you sit down for a few minutes to enjoy a cool drink of water with ice & a slice, in a pretty glass, maybe a fancy straw or cocktail umbrella

Sounds like you're in good form for the 10k on Sunday., Granny
Fingers crosses your race pack arrives soon (which ipad keeps wanting to call your face pack)

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SingingGoldfinch · 26/06/2017 23:04

Good work on the FDs Monday fasters!! I love hearing what people are eating on FDs - just goes to show how many options there are even with just 500cals to play with!

Successful FD here too - finishing on about 490. Had one of my fave FD meals for tea - medium baked sweet potato topped with tuna mixed with fat free natural yoghurt and spring onions and a huge rocket and radish salad on the side drizzled with balsamic vinegar. It's yummy and always fills me up!

Sarah - I picked the Elly Pear book up in the Works for a bargain price - worth a look if you have a store near you!

Sarahlouboo · 27/06/2017 07:03

That tea sounds blooming lovely Singing!

Impressed with running on a fast day Grannygrown, good luck for Sunday.

Another terrible night's sleep after FD here 😫, up and down to the loo needing a wee all night. Urgh!

quckingduck22 · 27/06/2017 07:42

I'm so happy, this happened this morning.

Please ignore diet cals, I have no idea where this info is from possibly my last meal logged inMFP

5:2 Thread number 68: You don't have to be in control to start, but you can start to be in control. You can do this. Go for it !
quckingduck22 · 27/06/2017 07:48

BCF - yes smoked mackerel. I may try sardines or anchovies this week and see how that goes. It's a shame as the mackerel was beautiful just too oily.

I love anchovies on pasta so may try the noodles with chopped tomatoes and a sprinkling of cheese as it's like a pizza without the calories.

Whos fasting today?

OuchBollocks · 27/06/2017 08:21

Wow quacking that's amazing Shock You must feel fab. Well done!

Nowhere near as impressive but scales are down to 13st8 this morning, which I'm pleased with. That's about 8lb off in around a month. Hoping to shift another 8lb by the time I go to visit family in NI near the end of August.

quckingduck22 · 27/06/2017 08:49

Ouch 8lbs in a month is absolutely incredible. Have you been doing much excersize?

OuchBollocks · 27/06/2017 09:00

No, I've been slowly building up the amount I've been doing but I'm restricted by Bad Ankle, I can't run yet, can't bend it enough for squats etc and anything high impact is out of the question for a while longer. I have loads to lose though, plus I'm breastfeeding a total fatty who is just sucking the fat right out of me Grin he has proper rolls on his arms and legs, oh to be a little baby!

GrannyGrown · 27/06/2017 09:04

Sarah - if it's any consolation I did jinx myself with my PJ suggestion and also had an interrupted nights sleep, like you up and down to the loo for a wee. Maybe it's the 'whoosh' BigChoc referred to a few pages back Smile.

Qucking - congratulations on a great achievement!

Ouch - 8lb in a month is amazingly impressing!!

Have gym class in 25 mins so better get ready and get out. Hoping original instructor is back from holidays ...

Have a good day everyone.

SingingGoldfinch · 27/06/2017 09:44

Good luck Tuesday fasters!

Well done on amazing SVs quacking and Ouch!! Both awesome achievements! Ouch - love the thought of your little man sucking the fat out of you!!!!

TheMShip · 27/06/2017 09:52

Ouch 8lb is fantastic, well done! Qucking you too, you're so close to that goal now!

FD for me today. Not enough eggs in the house for everyone so I've just skipped it today. Think my FD calorie goal is going to be 700 for a while, breakfast hasn't seemed all that appealing. I'm quite hungry at the moment, about to go make some black tea. I'm holding off weighing myself until Thursday next week as it's my birthday and I want to see a SV that day! Grin

I thoughtlessly ate a chocolate bar yesterday, which of course was milk chocolate, and didn't twig till after it was finished. Felt horrid for a few hours but no actual IBS episode. I'll have to ask DH to put a bar of dark chocolate in the online shop this week, I can have a square or two on NFDs as a treat to help me avoid the temptation of milk-containing products.

CinderellasBroom · 27/06/2017 10:41

Wow, so many SVs and NSVs!

I fasted yesterday, got to supper time and found that my ready meal had mould on it, so couldn't eat it. I'm hoping it doesn't mean the fridge is about to give out... Anyway, I'm feeling a bit rough today, possibly because the only thing I could find to eat last night was only 250cal and carby. I'm going to try my HIIT class today, but may duck out half way through if I don't feel well.

Bit of a SV, as of this morning I'm down to 58.2kg. I suspect most of that is water loss as I definitely didn't drink enough yesterday (and haven't lost inches) but still, it's always nice to be within reaching distance of my goal. I'd like to get a good few weeks of consistent 58kg before I go back into maintenance mode, though.

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