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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 35 - A new year’s resolution you’ll want to keep? Try 5:2 - it's not a diet, it's a lifestyle. Whether you want to shift fat, get healthy or discover some missing self control -

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BetsyBell · 08/01/2014 17:11

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a TDEE calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV/LSV = Non scale victory/Lifestyle (change) victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

Other Threads
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Tips and Links : Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

Inspirational: eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.

Recipes: frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

Exercise: bigchocfrenzy has an incredibly informative and helpful exercise and fitness thread for discussion and advice on combining 5:2 with an exercise regime.

Maintaining: If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Other links
This is a BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.

This Telegraph article comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

This blog post gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this article appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

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somewherebecomingrain · 09/01/2014 10:32

Melani amazing please add to recipe thread!!!

Not2bObvious · 09/01/2014 10:32

Toffee I'm your weight twin, 11.6'ish as well and no shift here in 2 weeks, Xmas weight won't move. Very disheartening but I'm going to make a commitment, now I've said it so it's out there, to leave the scales for a week. I am in dreadful humour all week because of it.
On 2nd FD - 2.5 hours til lunch. Not doing too bad, time for a cuppa though

BetsyBell · 09/01/2014 10:34

Melanie Sounds delicious. A few chunks of roast butternut squash would go with that too! (not that I'm stuck on a theme here or anything…!)

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BetsyBell · 09/01/2014 10:36

Not2 If weighing in elicits an emotional response then es, you should endeavour to weigh less. Try putting them somewhere difficult so you can't just 'pop on for a peek'.

Just remember, you're in good company with the plateauing.

Ditch the scales and focus on the NSVs for a while :)

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ErrolTheDragon · 09/01/2014 10:36

I've got a butternut squash in my veg rack...its one of those things that I buy and forget about it. Lucky they keep quite well in those tough skins. How do you roast yours - I usually do mine with some oil, can it be done without?

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BetsyBell · 09/01/2014 10:55

Errol I usually peel and chop the top half into cubes, the bottom half I chop into unpeeled crescents. Roast the lot in olive oil, garlic, thyme, rosemary, salt and pepper. Divine.

I'll often cook one up like this while I'm cooking a different meal in the oven, maybe serve up a few crescents with that meal and save the rest for other purposes.

If it's a fast day I might pop a 3 or 4 cubes in a salad, but I dress the salad in only yogurt, lemon and pepper so no additional oil calories going in there.

I haven't worked out the calorie count but you can do an entire squash in 1 glug (tablespoon?) of oil - 120 calories and end up with 20 pieces so the oil calories per piece are going to be 6 calories, 100g raw butternut squash is 45 calories. So maybe 10-12 calories at the most per chunk in total?

Please feel free to correct me anyone who's better at calorie counting!

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BetsyBell · 09/01/2014 10:56

We don't add on exercise calories on fast days FW! Sorry! You get the BF credit though Grin - 100 sounds sensible. See how you go, you have ruined your fast day if you eat 700, 800 or whatever. Lots of people work their way down to the 500 or 600.

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MrsFlorrick · 09/01/2014 10:58

Morning campers Grin

NFD here already done two this week plus one on Sunday.

DC are both at school (school and pre school) today! Hurrah! First time in 3 weeks with a moment to myself. GrinGrin and DH at work so it's just me and the guinea pigs. Smile

Having a cup of tea and MNing. Relaaaaaaaaaxing Grin I should do something worthy like go to a museum or for a swim or something but I absolutely cannot be arsed. Thinking of having a cheeky nap too. The DC were kept up by all the windy weather over the last couple of weeks and I am so so sooooooooo short of sleep it's untrue.

So now on week 12 of staying at 158lbs. Bssh. At this rate I will beat your very long stall.

Oh well only 6lbs to go so it will happen eventually..

Cuckoo. Twerking. Grin

Bigchocfrenzy. You are very inspirational. Thanks

Thanks for thread Betsy. Brew

And all the newbies. Well done. You're all forging ahead with good losses. Don't be out off by my tales of a long weight loss stall. I've only 6lbs to go to get my BMI just below 21 and it's goes very slowly right at the end.
The good news is until the last few lbs you lose at a really good pace.
And it's easy isn't it!?!

No special food, no books, no weigh in club, no expensive membership, no cutting out of whole food groups. Just two day at 500/600 cals and the rest at TDEE Grin

The only expense in relating to this WOE/WOL is the new smart significantly smaller clothes you'll have to buy as you lose weight GrinGrin

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 09/01/2014 11:17

Just a quick note to say This Morning are talking diets now and I expect 5:2 will feature.

Eatriskier · 09/01/2014 11:35

I feel like I dropped a bomb on the thread and the buggered off!

This is my butternut squash pasta substitute:
take a squash and peel it.
continue to peel into ribbons (so more parpadelle than spaghetti)
sauté with a bit of garlic, salt and pepper for about 6 mins
add sauce or whatever topping you want (I'm partial to arrabiatta myself)

For someone who used to be a real veggie avoider this is one of my favourite recipes now, so this should give it a high recommendation! And its so easy. Just make sure you have a decent peeler.

Southeastdweller · 09/01/2014 11:35

Thanks for the new thread Betsy.

PoshPaula · 09/01/2014 11:37

Okay I am at a minor crisis point. I am at work today. If I don't eat I will go nuts.

SO I am going to get myself a cuppa soup and get a grip.....

Eatriskier · 09/01/2014 11:37

Though now I've typed that I really want some. I'll be buying a large squash over the weekend then. And think I'll use melanie's chorizo method too. Omnomnomnom

ImABadGirl · 09/01/2014 11:42

eatriskier that sounds fab, how many calories is this?

MorrisZapp · 09/01/2014 11:53

Loving Hartleys sugar free jelly. 6 or 10 calories depending on pot size. Quite firm jelly so it feels more of a food than a drink :)

What's the lowest possible calorie milk or milk substitute? I can't give up tea and coffee (although have decaff, I'm not a caffeine addict) and it seems such a waste of calories.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/01/2014 12:00

Well done BadGirl, you are managing the FDs well and that is fast weight loss. Maybe your squat challenge is helping to burn something as well as giving you BunsOfSteel.

Errol Thanks for the link; I think Our Lidl has the squash in that picture. I adore roasted butternut squash as a potato substitute, so maybe this will stand in for pasta.

Eatriskier · 09/01/2014 12:03

imabadgirl I usually use about 190g (that just is what seems right on my plate). With the garlic and S&P it comes in at around 95 cals. Then add on calls for whatever sauce etc. But far better than the 280 calories my normal portion of pasta costs me (80g uncooked). Plus its keeps me fuller for longer.

I quite often had it with half a jar of arrabiata sauce and a veggie sausage. All came in under 300cals, so plenty of space for a cup of soup and a yoghurt for a dessert too!

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 09/01/2014 12:12

Imabadgirl it's funny isn't it! So when people think we are depriving ourselves or getting competitive by doing LOF or eating much less than 500 on a fd, in the name of 5:2, it's actually just something that happens naturally for some of us.
It also isn't always necessarily going to happen. As a 35 year old still menstruating, I can def say my months vary from start to finish with my fd hunger.

Hello MrsF! Look-ing fine if I may say so. Wink

Butternut squash. I know they keep for yonks skin on, but did I read that link right.... sure it said once spaghettified it keeps for 6 months?... guess I should go back and look! Hmm

Water and a coff so far today. Going well.

Funny how this woe makes you naturally crave healthier stuff. All of my food fantasies at mo are of the veggie salad based nature! Not a bit of bread in sight!

BigChocFrenzy · 09/01/2014 12:13

Oh, is everyone cutting, dicing, scraping the butternut squash themselves ?
I just buy the ready diced packets in the frozen or chilled section and I will continue this lazy way
I even get the Dukan freeze-dried squash in longlife packets from low carb stores. A ripoff, but very convenient, low-cal healthy nibbles.

farrowandballs · 09/01/2014 12:14

Hi all, those butternut squash ideas sound amazing! Well after a verry cold and shivery ( but successful) FD yesterday I am soooo enjoying my NFD today! Just had potted shrimps on wholemeal toast and a thin bar of dairy milk. Feels so good to know I dont have to stress about what I'm eating. Love this WOE!

Dotty342kids · 09/01/2014 12:16

Another fan of butternut squash here, especially roasted and blitzed up with either roasted red pepper or a tin of a tomatoes to make a soup.

Trying out a new soup recipe today: red lentil, thyme and lemon. As main ingredients are lentils and a tin of tomatoes I reckon a bowl will come in at around 200 cals so room for a bread roll with it for tea! Smile

One of our favourite FD recipes is a Nigella squash and red lentil curry (google it and it should pop up) if we want to cook (we add spinach to it too), or, if we can't be arsed to cook then "Indian Beans on Toast". Fry some chopped onion, chopped green chilli and tsp of garam masala until golden and soft. Add tin of beans and cook through until starting to go mushy. Serve half portion with two small pieces of wholemeal toast. It is delicious Smile

ImABadGirl · 09/01/2014 12:16

Thank you bigchoc I'm in a good place and really don't want to be the fat mummy at the school gate, DS starts school this september so want to be at target for then, I know this weight loss will slow down but it's giving me motivation to keep going, I've upped my water intake from vitually nothing to 6 or 7 glasses a day, that seems to be helping.

Luckily in my job I'm free to roam back and forwards to the toilet so drinking so much water is fine.

I'm now on 60 squats will be 65 tomorrow Grin

EarSlaps · 09/01/2014 12:19

Just marking my place on the new thread. Had a 750 cal FD yesterday (I'm mixing it all up now I'm maintaining) and had a bit of a shock on the scales this morning- 9st0.4 Shock. It hovered in the 8s for a moment and I nearly fell over with shock. So I feasted on deviant porridge for breakfast and a yummy chocolate cake at playgroup Grin. Going to have a jacket potato with tuna and cottage cheese for lunch- yum.

Just going to pop my gym clothes on and get started on Ripped. Then a whizz around tidying ready for our cleaner starting tomorrow. I need to tidy so she can see the surfaces to clean them!

BigChocFrenzy · 09/01/2014 12:22

cuckoo put the bottle down
Spaghetti squash is a different kind of veg.
You can also try eat's recipe for making a spaghetti substitute from butternut squash if you're not a cackhanded disaster in the kitchen like me